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    06-14-2012, 01:28 AM

What would cause two appaloosa's to throw a paint baby?

I don't have any pictures right now, but I will get a couple this weekend. My mom will be buying this colt. He's beautiful, but didn't come out an app, lol, so he won't be registrable.

I can post bloodlines if needed, also.

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    06-14-2012, 01:43 AM
Well first off, he is a pinto, not a Paint. Paint is a registered breed. Pinto is a horse with a white pattern. Some Paints are pintos, but not all pintos are Paints.

Secondly, crop outs are common, especially in stock breeds. The gene is there, it's just being restricted to "normal" markings - face and leg white. Then you get a foal that has no restriction on its white, and it seems to have come out of nowhere.
    06-14-2012, 01:49 AM
Oh, interesting! I would like to know what his pattern is called. I will definitely post pics this weekend. :)
    06-14-2012, 10:44 AM
Also from what I have read a lot of appy's don't get their full adult color until they're a year or more old! There may be leopard spots in there, or if the rump is white there may be a blanket under there that will show up once the foal coat and first winter are shed.
    06-14-2012, 10:59 AM
Some appys have QH, TB and Paint in their bloodlines. Maybe the two parents had a very small chance of passing along that pattern and both did?
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    06-14-2012, 01:33 PM
Originally Posted by xxdanioo    
What would cause two appaloosa's to throw a paint baby?

I don't have any pictures right now, but I will get a couple this weekend. My mom will be buying this colt. He's beautiful, but didn't come out an app, lol, so he won't be registrable.

I can post bloodlines if needed, also.

Yeah, post the pedigrees...
    06-14-2012, 02:05 PM
Qar Just Peachy Appaloosa

Yum Er of a Dream Appaloosa

Would it be from Mighty Bright?
    06-14-2012, 06:58 PM
Originally Posted by xxdanioo    
Certainly it would - really the only source. However, Mighty Bright was only a conduit. The actual source of the paint/pinto influence is farther back in the pedigree - Old Fred to be exact, which in this case was carried through Plaudette, a Pintaloosa, to Bright Eyes Brother and his son Mighty Bright. The BEB/Mighty Bright line is extremely potent, with high whites and large blazes carried for many generations, and would be no surprise to be carried to your horse, which has a BEB/MB line both top and bottom. However, I have never seen the paint or splash influence carried to the extreme of an actual pinto pattern, and would be very skeptical that the pedigrees you listed could result in a pinto pattern. I would be far more inclined to think there was a fence jumper within the last generation or two...
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    06-14-2012, 07:17 PM
Thanks for the info!

There very well could of been, depending on how far back, but hard to say now. There aren't any other horses in the area at this point in time.

He has high whites, bald face, white on his belly, and a splotch on his side.

I'm going out Saturday, and will snap many pictures. :)
    06-23-2012, 01:52 PM
I finally have pictures! Sorry for such a delay! Can anyone point out what his pattern is?
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