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post #1 of 24 Old 10-22-2013, 12:08 AM Thread Starter
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Different types of bay?

I am wondering if there are different types of bay or if its just a generic bay. So far I've heard of Blood Bay, and seal bay. I would love some more information on bays!! (Oh and I don't have a winter coat picture.)

Also if you want; what type of bay is she? Generic bay or specific type? She has a really pretty gold tint, black mane and tail and grey muzzle, so I was just curious of what you guys thought.
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post #2 of 24 Old 10-22-2013, 12:32 AM
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Bay is just bay genetic wise. But Seal bay, Blood bay are just ways to describe the shades. Like butter milk buckskin is just a light buckskin, and liver chestnut is just a darker chestnut. I would describe your mare as a copper bay :).
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She is a generic bay, what I will call "classic" bay for the sake of the rest of this discussion.

Genetically, there are three varieties of 'bay' - wild bay, classic bay and brown.

Here is an example of a wild bay. Note the lack of black extending up the legs - it stays down low.




Here is an example of a brown. Notice that it mimics classic bay to a certain extent, but has more black hairs in the coat, and paler "soft" points - the muzzle, eye area, flank etc.

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^^Agreed. Genetically, there are only those 3 variations, but people will use as many as they want to differentiate shades of bay; bright bay, copper bay, blood bay, brown bay, black bay (both of those tend to actually be genetically brown though LOL), etc, etc, etc.

Just like with red horses. Though a horse is still just genetically red (ee), folks will find infinite words to label the different shades.

I'd say that your boy is a classic bay...but as far as shade label, I'd call him either a bright bay or a copper bay. Gorgeous boy whatever color you want to call him.

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TBforever, I think your boy is a brown to be honest
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they have bay on rego papers.

But who knows they can mix colours up..i always thought bay had black points?
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they have bay on rego papers.

But who knows they can mix colours up..i always thought bay had black points?
"Bay" is pretty standard Wetherby's description for most brown TB's in the UK if it has black points.
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Brown also has black points, since it is a mutation of the agouti allele, just as bay is a mutation of the agouti allele. Brown is a horse with a brown coat, black "hard" points (legs, mane, tail etc) and paler "soft" points (muzzle, flank, eye area, behind the elbow, under the tail etc). Registries are notoriously bad for using correct colour names anyway.
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Brown also has black points, since it is a mutation of the agouti allele, just as bay is a mutation of the agouti allele. Brown is a horse with a brown coat, black "hard" points (legs, mane, tail etc) and paler "soft" points (muzzle, flank, eye area, behind the elbow, under the tail etc). Registries are notoriously bad for using correct colour names anyway.

But in the UK it will be passported as bay and everyone will understand it as bay regardless of the genes. Common usage of words are not always technically correct by other people's definitions. If they ever start testing for colours and documenting them following that then things might change...but I somehow doubt it over here.
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