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        02-05-2013, 09:47 AM
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    I can't remember seeing a dilute draft stud advertised anywhere, certainly not a purebred one at any rate so if you found one it would probably be a cross and to me that probably wouldn't be the best route to go down if you're trying to work towards a Sugarbush. I have seen a couple of dilute Gypsy stallions but one is a tobiano and the other is below the height you want. I'd vote the same way as the others, go back to a Percheron if they were used in the original make up of the breed because you're more likely to end up with a foal more along the lines of what you want. Breeding your filly to a Knabstrupper to me wouldn't be the best idea because it's not a draft breed. I may have read who was to breed to the Knabstrupper wrong and it was the filly's dam you want to breed to the Knabstrupper.
    The 2 Sugarbush stallions (Sugarbush harley Quinne) that I found on the All breeds pedigree site (father & son) have an Appy in their bloodlines (hence the suggestion for a knabstrupper as they are a larger purebred breed of spotted) which is where the spotted colour has come from - other than that they seem to be pretty much pure Percheron. I can't find any info on the breeding of the original horses the registry talks of that were bred in the late 1950's though the Sugarbush Hitch Company (Ohio) still exists
    I did find someone else who describes themselves as a breeder who said they would love to get access to a Noriker as they are a purebred spotted/variable coloured draft established over hundreds of years.
    I did find a US appaloosa coloured Gypsy Vanner (as they are called here) and these larger gypsy type horses do come in all colours in the UK so shouldnt be ruled out as a possible as I'm sure someone must 'stand' one in the UK somewhere
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        02-05-2013, 09:57 AM
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    There is a Gyspy cob here who is spotted but he is tiny, only about 11 or 12hh or there abouts. Thing is from what I've read on here about the Sugarbushes is they need to be 51% draft blood to be registered so a Knabstrupper wouldn't be useful in that sense for the filly, for the mare it would definitely give the colour to a potential foal to used for the next step. A Noriker would be ideal really but I don't think there are any stallions at stud in the UK, none that I've seen from a quick look round the usual sites. I did find a spotty cob at stud but he's only 15.2hh and doesn't look to have much apart from a pretty colour to stand him, reasonable looking but not much else.
         
        02-05-2013, 10:12 AM
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    Hermits Cobs in the UK, have been breeding Appaloosa cobs for many years. Michael Vine also has some occasionally, I believe. They both have websites.

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        02-05-2013, 12:13 PM
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    Originally Posted by Lis    
    There is a Gyspy cob here who is spotted but he is tiny, only about 11 or 12hh or there abouts. Thing is from what I've read on here about the Sugarbushes is they need to be 51% draft blood to be registered so a Knabstrupper wouldn't be useful in that sense for the filly, for the mare it would definitely give the colour to a potential foal to used for the next step. A Noriker would be ideal really but I don't think there are any stallions at stud in the UK, none that I've seen from a quick look round the usual sites. I did find a spotty cob at stud but he's only 15.2hh and doesn't look to have much apart from a pretty colour to stand him, reasonable looking but not much else.
    The two Sugarbush stallions I looked at on the pedigree database have the Appy several generations back so I assume the idea is to introduce a colour like that into one cross and then use that cross to cross back with a draft - maybe several times to remove the lightweight blood and hope that the Appy or whatever colouring remained dominant. It would take quite a long time as each foal would need to be approx 3 years old before it could be put in foal - and you would have to consider what to do with the first maybe 4 crosses that weren't up to standard. You would also need access to other people doing the same thing with unrelated horses to avoid crossbreeding - could use imported semen for that I suppose
    I found a US breeder called Dusty Rose ranch that claims to have 4 Sugarbush Stallions but they are also producing part bred Friesans and giving them a 'title' - for eg Gypsian.
         

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