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Flaxen liver or black silver carrier?

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#1 ·
I'm looking for a cart pony and came across her. Parentage unknown, owners say she's a silver dapple but I'm not so sure. She looks to me like a flaxen liver chestnut. What do you think?
 
#12 ·
Need genetic color testing.

This is aliver chestnut, and got abtter pic somewhere. I know, becuase I owned both parents, and both were chestnuts.
She is also a full sister to Smilie, and Stitch, who is the same chesnut shade as Smlie and to Maximized, who is pictured below, and is a light version, almost able to pass for Palomino

Shameless, the liver chestnut



Maximized

 
#13 ·
Silver. I have a silver dapple mini and he fades to that color every summer. He starts out his summer coat much darker. If you do a body clip on him he looks like a typical grey horse with dapples. I've heard people call it taffy on Shetlands.
 
#17 ·
from Wikipedia

Colors confused with palomino[edit]

Left to right: two chestnuts with flaxen manes, a palomino, and a gray
Many non-palominos may also have a gold or tan coat and a light mane and tail.

Chestnut with flaxen mane and tail: Lighter chestnuts with a light cream mane and tail carry a flaxen gene, but not a cream dilution. For example, the Haflinger breed has many light chestnuts with flaxen that may superficially resemble dark palomino, but there is no cream gene in the breed.
Cremellos carry two copies of the cream gene and have a light mane and tail but also a cream-colored hair coat, rosy pink skin and blue eyes.
The champagne gene is the most similar palomino mimic, as it creates a golden-colored coat on some horses, but golden champagnes have light skin with mottling, blue eyes at birth, and amber or hazel eyes in adulthood.[5]
Horses with a very dark brown coat but a flaxen mane and tail are sometimes called "chocolate palomino," and some palomino color registries accept horses of such color. However, this coloring is not genetically palomino. There are two primary ways the color is created. The best-known is a liver chestnut with a flaxen mane and tail. The genetics that create light flaxen manes and tails on otherwise chestnut horses are not yet fully understood, but they are not the same as the cream dilution. The other genetic mechanism is derived from the silver dapple gene, which lightens a black coat to dark brown, and affects the mane and tail even more strongly, diluting to cream or near-white.[6]
Buckskins have a golden body coat but a black mane and tail. Buckskin is also created by the action of a single cream gene, but on a bay coat.
Dun horses have a tan body with a darker mane and tail plus primitive markings such as a dorsal stripe down the spine and horizontal striping on the upper back of the forearm.
The pearl gene in a homozygous state creates a somewhat apricot-colored coat with pale skin. When crossed with a single cream gene, the resulting horse, often called a "pseudo-double-dilute", appears visually to be a cremello.
Color breed registries[edit]

Bottom line, without color testing knowing what color genetics the parents carried, all you then get is good guess work, the samE that CAUSED minimal marked anD roan Appaloosas, placed into the AQHA registry, in the beginning1
We have gone beyond that flawed visual sole method of color identification,
, same as any other genetic trait where one can test for!
 
#20 ·
"Chocolate palomino" is just a dark palomino. It's all about shading here. I do think that may be a possibility though.

I found a thread, unfortunately from another forum so don't want to link, while googling and it was 15 or so various horses all of which were black silver, sooty palomino, flaxen chestnut (using basic names so we don't get confused but obviously all at the shades where they would look alike) then everyone was to guess.

The catcher was when the answers were posted several of the horses you would have SWORN were different colors were the same horse!! Some were easier than others, but this was with people who knew what they were talking about(from the sounds of it) and it was very very interesting. Well I thought so haha!

FWIW it was the fact I just saw that thread that made palomino come to mind I think lol, hard to remember "what OTHER color can ALSO look like this haha!
 
#21 ·
She's definitely a silver something! I have no doubt now. I'll put more pictures up but she has obvious dappleing. So here's a question for you's- owners said they THINK she foundered last fall as she was lame but has been fine since. They think it's "grown out" and she hasn't taken a lame step since. Still worth going to check out?
 
#25 ·
@Smilie, your quoted text says nothing about palominos. Saying "chocolate palomino" is like saying "liver chestnut." It's a descriptor for the shade. A palomino of any shade, whether pee-spot yellow or deep gold, is eeCRcr, genetically speaking. A chestnut of any shade, whether haffy chestnut or deep liver chestnut, is ee. Technically speaking, a chocolate palomino is a palomino with extensive sooty.

Also, there are A LOT of visual indicators for color that are fairly accurate, as is evidenced by the numerous "What color is my horse" threads here that the OPs got the horse genetically tested and we were correct on our guesses of color.
 
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#26 ·
For the average person understand horse color genetics, a "chocolate palomino" is the same as a "sooty palomino" ... A genetically red based horse with a creme gene that is darker shade than the average palomino, probably do to having the (as of now) unknown "liver" modifier.

If a person is calling a liver flaxen chestnut horse a chocolate palomino, they are mistaken.
 
#32 ·
I should say to my knowledge as I have never owned one just have a friend that raises them and I am going by past experience with her filing form.
 
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