Originally Posted by Cherie
I think the sire was a smokey black. I have had black horses that were black as a crow and produced grullos (with no dorsal stripe and produced buckskins. I have also seen pearlinos from smokey blacks when they were bred to a palomino. I have a smutty buckskin gelding now (Quarter Pony) out of a smokey black mare. He also shows the champaign gene as he has amber eyes. His smokey black dam also had amber colored eyes.
You do realize that grullo is not a cream dilute correct? It would be from the dun gene and that would not hide on a black horse. So the grullo the black horse produced... the dun would have had to come from the other half of the equation.
Champagne does not "hide" either as far as I know. Dilutes can and do have lighter eyes. I have a palomino with amber eyes in the pasture right now.