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post #71 of 80 Old 02-19-2011, 03:32 PM
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Liver chestnut is what I think she could possibly be :)
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post #72 of 80 Old 02-22-2011, 10:12 PM
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I think the sire was a smokey black. I have had black horses that were black as a crow and produced grullos (with no dorsal stripe and produced buckskins. I have also seen pearlinos from smokey blacks when they were bred to a palomino. I have a smutty buckskin gelding now (Quarter Pony) out of a smokey black mare. He also shows the champaign gene as he has amber eyes. His smokey black dam also had amber colored eyes.
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I think the sire was a smokey black. I have had black horses that were black as a crow and produced grullos (with no dorsal stripe and produced buckskins. I have also seen pearlinos from smokey blacks when they were bred to a palomino. I have a smutty buckskin gelding now (Quarter Pony) out of a smokey black mare. He also shows the champaign gene as he has amber eyes. His smokey black dam also had amber colored eyes.
You do realize that grullo is not a cream dilute correct? It would be from the dun gene and that would not hide on a black horse. So the grullo the black horse produced... the dun would have had to come from the other half of the equation.

Champagne does not "hide" either as far as I know. Dilutes can and do have lighter eyes. I have a palomino with amber eyes in the pasture right now.
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post #74 of 80 Old 02-22-2011, 10:37 PM
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Lovelylovelylovely! A real beauty you have here, I have never seen a color quite like hers, best bet is to get her tested.
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post #75 of 80 Old 02-22-2011, 11:06 PM
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I believe the buckskin colored gelding I have is a champagne as I believe his mother was. I did not know her parentage. He was born with bark blue eyes that turned amber and had many Champagne characteristics. I do know that his color did not come from his sire.

I realize that grullo as referred to by AQHA must have a dun factor, but the same color is very evident in many champagne horses.

Have you been to the International Champagne Horse Registry website? There are many horses pictured there that are the exact color of this horse. I think they have around 600 photos in all. This registry calls them 'Classic' if they modify the black gene and 'Sable' if they modify the brown gene. Then, you can also have the roaning seen with the rabicano or any other 'pattern gene'.
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post #76 of 80 Old 02-22-2011, 11:14 PM
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Grullo, no ifs ands or buts, is only when a horse is carrying black and dun.

The horse in the OP does not look champagne to me or I would have suggested it before.
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Grullo/Grulla is a term that means black dun, similarly "dun" usually refers to bay dun
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post #78 of 80 Old 02-24-2011, 02:04 PM
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I have never seen such a beautiful color! It is so unique...please let us know if/when you get her tested! :)
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post #79 of 80 Old 02-25-2011, 12:46 AM
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Just confirm for me, is her mane and tail black?
her tail is both black and white, as it looks from the picture..

What a STUNNING mare. Holy moly. Stunning.
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post #80 of 80 Old 02-25-2011, 01:19 AM
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To me she looks chestnut with 100% sabino gene . Those high with socks with jagged edges and the jagged blaze and all the sabino tickleing screams sabino :) She is GORGEOUS . Animal Genetics does testing as well :)
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