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  • Black seal bay is what color? bay or black?

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    11-06-2013, 01:39 PM
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Green Broke
I think we all agree the foal is either brown with cream or bay with cream. Which would be helped by info on the parents.
     
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    11-06-2013, 03:56 PM
  #22
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I think we all agree the foal is either brown with cream or bay with cream. Which would be helped by info on the parents.
Actually no I don't agree. Mostly likely if mom is smokey black then baby can only be black or smokey black since there would be no agouti present.
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    11-06-2013, 09:20 PM
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Could the mare be seal bay? Like this V






This is smokey Black V




Could it be a sooty gene from the dam insted of a smokey gene?

     
    11-06-2013, 09:48 PM
  #24
Weanling
I'd bet money the bottom two would test smokey brown. The more horses i've seen the less I think sooty expresses on a black base.
     
    11-06-2013, 10:56 PM
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Could it be a sooty gene from the dam insted of a smokey gene?

I am positive both those horses are smokey brown not sooty the first ones offspring back up that he is most likely brown as well.
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    11-06-2013, 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Peppy Barrel Racing    
Actually no I don't agree. Mostly likely if mom is smokey black then baby can only be black or smokey black since there would be no agouti present.
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True, just her foal coat (while bleached and dead) and in some places her new coat is just soo pale and buckskin-y lol. Guess we will wait on parent info.
     
    11-07-2013, 12:41 AM
  #27
Foal
The mare CAN'T be just seal brown because the foal HAS to get the cream from somewhere, and it clearly has it. Given the sire is a friesian I'm positive he has no cream.

That means the mare would HAVE to be smokey black or smokey brown. I've never seen sooty show up on a foal that young anyway, I'm not even sure it can show up at that young of an age.

I'm fairly confident that foal and mare are both smokey brown, even if the mare may be an especially dark one.
     
    11-07-2013, 10:28 AM
  #28
Yearling
This foal begs the question... Were there any other stallions on site? Could she be an oops? Would love to see her tested.
     
    11-07-2013, 11:44 AM
  #29
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First, whats the difference between seal brown and brown? I thought seal bay was just a term to describe a brown?

Second, what the heck is a smokey brown, and how would it be different from "brownskin"? Are we referring to a brown with a cream gene in both cases?

I don't think any accurate conclusion can be reached without further photos of the dam.
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    11-07-2013, 12:17 PM
  #30
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I think (would need to double check) seal brown is just a brown horse, though there is another hypothetical gene (than regular brown causing it). Not sure on the technicalities. Either that or it's the same thing. I consider the first horse pictured seal brown and the others regular brown (see how much darker it is?) There is a horse in my barn too. Idk if that is just my definition though a "black" horse with some dark brown marks sometimes visible.

Brownskin = smokey brown.

Options are
black ( sorry Peppys!)
brown
bay
with cream. There is just some different terminology going on.
     

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