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post #21 of 47 Old 01-31-2013, 12:31 PM Thread Starter
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post #22 of 47 Old 01-31-2013, 12:46 PM
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Just FYI its not dilutions unless it is cream, dun, champagne and the like. Those are dilution genes. they are also modifiers. All genes that are not one of the two bases (red/black) are modifiers.
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I wouldn't say crap shoot - I think it's all pretty predictable... Except one foal I've got. Mommy was true black (don't know Ee or EE but no other dilutes). Daddy was palomno - foal is buckskin (sure makes sense right?) Daddy was Sabino - no other pattern, mom had no pattern, foal is medicine hat? I think I get lost as soon as I get into patterns I got colors down but patterns x.x
Easy, if daddy was palomino, he could have been hiding agouti since it doesn't express on a red base. Let's assume the dam is Ee aa crcr. Sire could be ee Aa Crcr, producing buckskin, palomino, smoky black, black, bay, chestnut. The colt could be a max expression sabino, resulting in medicine hat markings.
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Easy, if daddy was palomino, he could have been hiding agouti since it doesn't express on a red base. Let's assume the dam is Ee aa crcr. Sire could be ee Aa Crcr, producing buckskin, palomino, smoky black, black, bay, chestnut. The colt could be a max expression sabino, resulting in medicine hat markings.
Yup I knew the buckskin, it's the medicine hat that had me confounded - but you're probably right about Sabino!! Didn't think of that! I didn't think a foal could have louder sabino than the parent? But I'm clueless with patterns Thank you!
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Just FYI its not dilutions unless it is cream, dun, champagne and the like. Those are dilution genes. they are also modifiers. All genes that are not one of the two bases (red/black) are modifiers.
Interesting I didn't know that thanks :)
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Okay thank you, and if you wanted a specific colour, like a red roan, what would you have to do to get that colour? As it is not a base colour.
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Minimal marked horses can and do produce loudly marked horses. Still surprising when it happens but its not uncommon.
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Okay thank you, and if you wanted a specific colour, like a red roan, what would you have to do to get that colour? As it is not a base colour.
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Buy one...

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^^Exactly. I've found that most people who start thinking "Okay, what color horses do I need to make a certain color foal" only concern themselves with the color and will not bother with deciding if the animal is actually worthy of breeding.

As for getting a guaranteed red roan, you'd need 2 homozygous red horses (ee) and at least one of them homozygous for roan.

I, myself, have spent years dreaming about getting a blue roan foal and wondering what horses I'd have to have to get that, BUT, I don't have a mare of the proper quality, nor do I have the money to buy a mare of the proper quality to breed to this guy (and I really want that potential foal to be one of his babies).


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So with my mare, she has a blue eye, although she is purebred quarter horse, she still has a pinto gene. I would need to test her to see if she has overo, and if she did, I would need to find a stud that did not have overo genes, in order to avoid a lethal white foal.

I am not planning on breeding Breeze though, I am just curious. If I did so happen to breed Breeze in the future it would most likely be to this stud:

The Jewel Snipper:


I know he is tested and produces a lot of different colours of foals like this mare, who is now a broodmare:


And this filly:


He produces colts and fillies of colours ranging from palomino, chestnut, black, all the way to duns and roans. The only colour he has not produced is a grey and cream colours.
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The stallion is ee and could be any form of agouti. Just because he threw those colors on a different mare doesnt mean he can throw them with yours. You said your mare had a red parent correct? That means you will get 50/50 chances of getting a red or black based foal. Your mares Agouti status is aa and the stallion being sorrel doesnt show whether he carries agouti or not but seeing as how he has thrown a black filly he is either Aa or aa meaning 50/50 whether he could throw a bay or a black with your mare. So your only color choices are Black, bay, sorrel with a possibility of an overo gene from your mare. Just because he's thrown all those things doesnt mean they have come from him. The mares also provide genetics on the baby.

There is no way possible for him to throw a roan, or dun from your mare. And i did want to point out that you posted "He produces colts and fillies of colours ranging from palomino, chestnut, black, all the way to duns and roans. The only colour he has not produced is a grey and cream colours." However palomino IS a cream color.
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