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        01-31-2013, 04:45 PM
      #31
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by TexasBlaze    
    The stallion is ee and could be any form of agouti. Just because he threw those colors on a different mare doesnt mean he can throw them with yours. You said your mare had a red parent correct? That means you will get 50/50 chances of getting a red or black based foal. Your mares Agouti status is aa and the stallion being sorrel doesnt show whether he carries agouti or not but seeing as how he has thrown a black filly he is either Aa or aa meaning 50/50 whether he could throw a bay or a black with your mare. So your only color choices are Black, bay, sorrel with a possibility of an overo gene from your mare. Just because he's thrown all those things doesnt mean they have come from him. The mares also provide genetics on the baby.

    There is no way possible for him to throw a roan, or dun from your mare. And I did want to point out that you posted "He produces colts and fillies of colours ranging from palomino, chestnut, black, all the way to duns and roans. The only colour he has not produced is a grey and cream colours." However palomino IS a cream color.

    Okay, and by cream I am meaning creamello and perlino. If I were to breed, I would not use Breeze, I would buy a broodmare that is registered and has great conformation.
         
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        01-31-2013, 04:46 PM
      #32
    Weanling
    That stallion could produce almost any colour except cremello, perlino or smoky cream, depending on the mare, as could any other chestnut stallion. He could certainly produce a grey foal if bred to a grey mare.
         
        01-31-2013, 04:46 PM
      #33
    Green Broke
    The stallion is only 50% of the equation. HE isn't soley responsible for all these colors that "he" is producing.

    He contributes an e ... which is easily disguised if the mare flips the roan switch, or the black switch, or the dun switch ...

    A WHOLE lot will depend on what your mare is carrying that can override the e.
         
        01-31-2013, 04:48 PM
      #34
    Yearling
    Cremello and perlinos as well as smoaky creams are all double cream genes where they inherited a cream gene from both parents. This stallion doesnt have a cream gene to give therefore will never produce any of these colors.

    However a single cream gene foal is a palomino, buckskins, and smoaky black. These horses only have to have one parent with a cream gene to inherit. Its still a cream gene but only one instead of two.
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        01-31-2013, 04:53 PM
      #35
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kenda    
    That stallion could produce almost any colour except cremello, perlino or smoky cream, depending on the mare, as could any other chestnut stallion. He could certainly produce a grey foal if bred to a grey mare.
    Yes, I know he could, and I know he is only half of the equation, One of the broodmares out where he is, is a grey, but he hasn't produced one yet. This is her:


    I am almost sure to, that outside breeders have brought in greys too. I am not saying he cannot produce grey, but he just hasn't yet.
         
        01-31-2013, 04:56 PM
      #36
    Yearling
    Grey has a 50/50 chance of passing from a grey horse (unless the horse is homozygous. Then it will always pass)


    So basically the grey parent just hasnt thrown a grey gene yet. She has the genetics too but didnt pass them on to the foal.

    Grey will always show if it is passed on. ( grgr (not grey) Grgr (heterozygous. Will go grey) GrGr (homozygous. Will go grey faster and will always throw grey foals)
         
        01-31-2013, 04:56 PM
      #37
    Foal
    Okay, this was an interesting thread. Because I have no knowledge of coloring.. but now I do!
    (I have a grade mare my Vet refers to as Buckskin Dun, and others call her a Redline Dun) This old dog is learning.
         
        01-31-2013, 04:58 PM
      #38
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Le007    
    Okay, this was an interesting thread. Because I have no knowledge of coloring.. but now I do!
    (I have a grade mare my Vet refers to as Buckskin Dun, and others call her a Redline Dun) This old dog is learning.
    If you want to post her in her own thread im sure people would love to help you figure out her true color and explain the genetics behind it.
         
        01-31-2013, 04:59 PM
      #39
    Yearling
    I am learning a lot from this thread!

    So going away from Snip, if you had a Creamello stallion and you bred to a red or black mare, would you get a foal with a cream gene, because one parent is carrying it?
         
        01-31-2013, 05:00 PM
      #40
    Yearling
    Yes! Exactly! A cremello stallions cream code looks like this CrCr. He has no choice but to pass on a Cr to his offspring. So his foals will always inherit a cream gene.
         

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