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        02-23-2014, 12:25 PM
      #21
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by CLaPorte432    
    I just went through Animal Genetics for a red base test. Sent it in the mail on Saturday...results were emailed to me Friday. It didn't even take a full week...

    2-6 months is insane. All I can think of is UC Davis is making money through AQHA. Afterall...isn't that what it comes down to in the end? Money...
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    AQHA has a contract with UC Davis. When I spoke with the DNA department at AQHA they said they will not be cancelling their contract with UC Davis anytime in the foreseeable future.


    The ONLY thing I agree with UC Davis/AQHA is that they cross check the DNA to ensure that the hair samples are actually from the the horse the owner is saying it's from. This is apparently why it takes a minimum of a month to get results
         
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        02-23-2014, 02:49 PM
      #22
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    Originally Posted by FGRanch    
    Good luck.

    I tested both my 3 yr old stallion and 2 yr old stallion through AG simply because they are the better lab in my opinion. I sent the results to AQHA. The head of the DNA department called me personally and said they would not accept AG results and I had to retest through UC Davis. I will not test UC Davis until I have to. They are not breeding yet and until they do I will use AG.
    Well, since I breed dilutes, I don't have to reg AQHA. I will send in the test and see what they say. If they say they won't accept it, I will tell them I'll happily comply if they'll show me WHERE it says in the handbook that UC Davis is the mandatory lab. I have yet to find ANYTHING that says they are. If they cannot, and still won't accept my results, then I guess my foals will reg Palomino, Paint and Pinto, or Buckskin Registry and NOT AQHA.
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        02-23-2014, 04:50 PM
      #23
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    Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians    
    Well, since I breed dilutes, I don't have to reg AQHA. I will send in the test and see what they say. If they say they won't accept it, I will tell them I'll happily comply if they'll show me WHERE it says in the handbook that UC Davis is the mandatory lab. I have yet to find ANYTHING that says they are. If they cannot, and still won't accept my results, then I guess my foals will reg Palomino, Paint and Pinto, or Buckskin Registry and NOT AQHA.
    If it's not in the official rules I would argue it as well. I haven't read the official rule change yet.
         
        02-23-2014, 04:53 PM
      #24
    Trained
    Copied straight from the handbook:

    REG108. GENETIC TESTING

    REG108.1 If there is justifiable cause to question parentage of a foal, the Executive Committee may require the foal, sire and dam to be genetically tested, the expenses of which shall be allocated as the Executive Committee determines. The results of this test, together with other available information, may be taken into consideration by the Executive Committee in its determination of the foal’s parentage as recognized by AQHA. Such genetic testing shall be done by an organization approved by AQHA.
    REG108.2 The owner or lessee of a stallion exposed to one or more mares, shall, at his own expense, file with AQHA a written report of the stallion’s genetic type, obtained from a laboratory approved by AQHA, and in accordance with procedures adopted by AQHA. Once such type is filed with AQHA, it is not necessary to repeat such filing annually, except as requested by AQHA. This type must be on file with AQHA prior to the registration of any foal sired by such stallion from mares covered in REG108.3 below.
    REG108.3 A genetic type must be on file with AQHA for any mare foaled on or after January 1, 1989, prior to the registration of any foal produced by them.
    REG108.4 All stallions having 25 or more mares on their 2014 breeding report are required to have a genetic disease panel test on file with AQHA prior to the registration of their foals resulting from breeding’s occuring after January 1, 2014.
    REG108.5 All stallions are required to have a genetic disease panel test on file with AQHA prior to the registration of their foals resulting from breeding’s occuring after January 1, 2015.

    And here's a link to the online version:
    AQHA Handbook

    That way you can look at it yourself and see if you can find it anywhere. Note that in 108.1 & 108.2, it says an approved lab. It does not specify that in 108.4 or 108.5. It just says the tests must be on file, not that the lab must be approved nor does it specify UC Davis.
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        02-23-2014, 06:01 PM
      #25
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    Yep, I see nothing about the disease panel being done at any specific lab or even an "AQHA approved lab." Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I will send in my AG results and if they argue that I will send them looking through their own rules.
         
        02-23-2014, 07:14 PM
      #26
    Trained
    I'll send in mine this week too, so they have it coming from more than one source at a time.
         
        02-24-2014, 09:30 AM
      #27
    Trained
    I just have to clarify, it;s not taking 2-6 months for the testing to be done. It's taking 2-6 months for the results to be sent to the horse's owner from the AQHA. You can't even call UCDavis and ask for the results as they will outright tell you that the AQHA owns them and you must wait on the AQHA.
         
        02-24-2014, 12:05 PM
      #28
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    Originally Posted by NdAppy    
    I just have to clarify, it;s not taking 2-6 months for the testing to be done. It's taking 2-6 months for the results to be sent to the horse's owner from the AQHA. You can't even call UCDavis and ask for the results as they will outright tell you that the AQHA owns them and you must wait on the AQHA.
    See...that's where I have the problem with the whole thing. AQHA owns the results......my HOOF! It's my horse, I pull the tail hairs and I pay for the test, which by the way is only $10 less than Animal Genetics, and AQHA owns the results? If they want to own the results, they can buy the horse. That just really irks me. It's not the time, though that's just ridiculous when AG got my results back for EVERYTHING that I sent them in less than a week. I tested several horses for various color things, 2 disease panels, gelding for HYPP and something else. I forget but my bill was almost $500 so it was a LOT of testing. And, I'm sure UCD does this too, Animal Genetics keeps the samples on file for several years and went back to my original samples for any horse they tested for me for other reasons. So why do I have to send in a new sample for the panel since UCD did the heredity testing when Skip was a lad getting registered? With Animal Genetics, I just go to their site, fill out what I want done and give them billing info, or I can email or call them, whatever I like and if they've tested the horse for something before, they just do the new test.

    If AQHA wants to check the parentage again to make sure we're not fudging the tail hair samples from a horse we know is clear of the 5 diseases, why not just use the original sample that was done to verify parentage? This whole thing just doesn't make sense.

    Anyway, NdAppy none of that was directed specifically at you, you're post just triggered a bunch of thoughts in my head.
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        02-24-2014, 01:27 PM
      #29
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    I didn't think it was directed at me. Lol This whole thread has kind of turned into a vent about this situation. In all honesty it makes me glad that I don't breed horses, more so AQHA horses.
         
        02-24-2014, 02:31 PM
      #30
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    Originally Posted by NdAppy    
    I didn't think it was directed at me. Lol This whole thread has kind of turned into a vent about this situation. In all honesty it makes me glad that I don't breed horses, more so AQHA horses.
    Every registry has their "issues", just some irk me more than others. LOL! Paints & Pintos irk me because they DON'T require any testing, Arabs irk me because they don't require testing and even if you do the testing, and evern though many members would like it, won't put the results on the registrations papers. Buckskins only issue permanent papers to horses after they've produced so many buckskin foals, or unless their gelded or spayed. HUH? And now that we can do various gene tests and know what 'causes' buckskins and palominos, that they're not reproducible colors on their own, why haven't they rescinded that part of their rules? So, it's not just AQHA. Just situations that make you go, "HUH?"

    And I question EVERYTHING. Drove my mother batty and now she's getting her revenge, I drive myself batty with all my questions, some times. LOL!
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