Grulla, Dark Bay or Dark Buckskin?!

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    06-06-2013, 09:52 PM
Grulla, Dark Bay or Dark Buckskin?!

I just got this gelding a week ago and am baffled by his color. He has no brown on his face, and has black lining around his ears. His hair on his stifle, girth, butt and inner ear are all blonde, not brown, blonde. In different light he goes from the grey blue color of a grulla and in the sun to a smutty buckskin/dark seal brown bay. Mom was buckskin and dad was blood bay. He has no striping on his legs but a very contrasting dun stripe on his back with darker shadowing on his shoulders and neck. Some of the pictures look a little wild I know, but wanted everyone to see what he looks like at different angles.

What do you think???
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    06-06-2013, 10:26 PM
Either a bay/brown or a really sooty buckskin.
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    06-06-2013, 10:38 PM
Are we sure dam was a buckskin? Could she have been a bay dun?

He does appear to have that "slate/grey" color that many grulla's can have. Not all horses that carry the dun gene, show all the outward signs of dun. (zebra markings, strong dorsal stripe, shoulder barring, cob-webbing on forehead etc)

But, My guess would be brown.
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    06-06-2013, 10:56 PM
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I'm going to say brown or bay.
    06-06-2013, 11:01 PM
Oh yes, smokey black is a high possibility...That's my guess! Smokey Black.
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    06-07-2013, 12:37 AM
Black or smokey black definitely not a dun. Dun is a dilution his coat is not diluted, just sun faded. There is also no dun factor. Blacks often get a dark line down their back when they fade.
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    06-07-2013, 12:52 AM
Just so you'll have a reference a single dun gene will dilute any color including black. While a single cream cannot dilute black, but it is said that these smokey blacks are more prone to sun fading and your's is pretty faded. If you curious you can test for cream, if you want you can test for agouti but I bet he will come up a/a which makes him black. A dun dorsal even on a black base will have the appearance of being drawn on with a marker a crisp line. But with sun fading and counter shading will be smudgy and blend with the coat. You have a lovely horse though, I like his build!!!

Notice on this grulla (black + dun) the white guard hairs on the mane the prominent ear tips and dorsal.

Dorsal doesnt stop at top of tail but travels down into tail.

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    06-07-2013, 01:23 AM
At this point, without better photos, I'm pretty confident that he's a very dark grulla. They aren't particularly common but they do happen.
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He's not quite as dark as your boy, but it gives you an idea of how dark they can be. Not all grullas look like the ones that PBR posted. In fact, those examples are especially light with very dark, prominent dun factor that isn't always present. Not all grullas have frosting in the mane like that and all most definitely don't have that awesome of dun factor on the ears!
I know I've seen other grullas as dark as the OP gelding. Unfortunately I don't have any saved, but I think I've found them on the online BLM adoption site. That seems to be the best place to find awesome expressions of dun
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    06-07-2013, 01:30 AM
He is pretty. I think I would call that a brown or seal brown .
    06-07-2013, 02:36 AM
Thank you all for your input! And mom was definitely a buckskin. The funny thing about the sun bleaching is that since he's shedded most his baby hair out he got darker and hasn't been out a lot since. Only a couple times. He's a year and a half by the way lol.
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