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Grulla, Dark Bay or Dark Buckskin?!

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    06-07-2013, 02:55 PM
Here are a couple great examples of very dark grullas.
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    06-07-2013, 03:12 PM
If Mom was definitely a buckskin and Dad was definitely a bay, then grulla isn't an option. One parent has to be dun for a foal to be dun.

Just judging from the pictures, I'd say that he's either a brown or a fading black...leaning toward brown.

Having a dorsal stripe doesn't automatically mean dun either.

This is the rump of my yearling filly, who's brown

And this is her dam (sorry for the crappy pic), who was definitely bay

And this is her momma (left), her (middle), and her older sister (right). Older sister was a black (no cream) and she would have a dorsal stripe when sunfaded.
    06-07-2013, 05:41 PM
Originally Posted by AnnaLover    
I definitely agree on better pictures to be sure. I, however, can see plenty of dun factor in the last picture to warrant grulla.
I am also very aware that in order to have a dun, one parent must be as well
That is why I said " his dam must have been dunskin (buckskin+dun) if my theory of his being a very dark grulla is correct. Even if she didn't appear obviously dunskin, it is still very possible that she could have been. It's quite often that dunskins don't have prominent dun factor."
I have my opinion and you have yours. I can totally see where you're coming from, but I have my reasons for believing that he is a dark grulla rather than a smokey black/ sunfaded black.
I am not 100% sure with my theory, but better pictures will hopefully enable us all to decide for sure
Lol ok I'll let you have your color theory it's more fun that way anyways. But look closely at the tone of the coat even on those dark grullas they have that dun tone. The OP's horse is missing that.
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    06-07-2013, 06:04 PM
I can totally see dun undertones in the last picture posted in the OP, along with shoulder barring and much darker, blacker legs in contrast to his body color. The flank color screams dun IMO.
The second picture really doesn't look grulla at all to me, but I think a lot of it has to do with the poor quality/weird lighting. The first picture isn't convincing either, but to say that it is also bad lighting is an understatement
The third one looks 100% like a dark grulla to me, and of course the last picture sold me on the idea.
Now we wait for more/better pictures and hopefully some baby and parents pictures as well!
    06-07-2013, 06:27 PM
We are opposite last picture confirms it the most that he isn't dun muhaha!
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    06-08-2013, 10:42 PM
So I looked on his papers and there are dun lines, however, his mother is not dun. Not sure about his father. Also got a good picture of his dorsel stripe but can't upload it on my phone :p. Whatever color he is, he's cute, smart and funny. That's all that matters.
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    06-08-2013, 11:36 PM
Use photobucket and use the image code to post that's how I post on my phone
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    06-09-2013, 12:29 AM
Originally Posted by Bandits Momma    
So I looked on his papers and there are dun lines, however, his mother is not dun. Not sure about his father. Also got a good picture of his dorsel stripe but can't upload it on my phone :p. Whatever color he is, he's cute, smart and funny. That's all that matters.
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Are the duns on his dam's side? Like I said before, his dam could very well be dunskin but only registered as buckskin because 1) she lacks prominent/obvious dun factor as many dunskins do, 2) dunskin wasn't an available option when registering her (and if I remember right, it wasn't an option when I registered my 2011 AQHA gelding), or her breeders didn't even know what dunskin was (as many people do not- experienced horse people or not).
    06-10-2013, 02:27 PM
Here's some new pictures of Bandit. Still hard to show the dorsel going into his tail because the flash reflects off his tail (still butt high :p)
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    06-10-2013, 02:30 PM
His face is completely black. The only blonde he has on his face is in and behind his ears.
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