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    12-03-2010, 06:36 PM
  #51
Trained
Tmyfrnk - your mare's dapples have nothing to do with her breed. All horses can have dapples in their coat, no matter the breed. And yes, Appies can have those coloured eyes, but it is not related to the appaloosa gene at all, it is a different gene causing it.
     
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    12-03-2010, 08:07 PM
  #52
Yearling
A horse can have blue eyes because he's carring 1) Splash, 2) Frame, or 3) 2 copies of the creme gene. Hazel eyes are caused by the Champagne gene. Neither are caused by LP. Yes, Appys can have blue or hazel eyes, but it has nothing to do with LP.

Tmyfrnk - both of your horse's parents were heterozygous for LP, & your mare did not inherit it. She is Appaloosa only by breed, not by colour.
     
    12-06-2010, 12:16 PM
  #53
Foal
I know dapples have nothing to do with her breed. The meaning behind my statement is, a full blooded appaloosa can have dapples as my mare does. Appaloosa is a breed not a color/design. Lucy89 was asking what we thought her horses breed is. I was simply stating that a full blooded appy can have blue eyes, dapples, grey etc.
     
    12-06-2010, 01:24 PM
  #54
Yearling
LP is the appaloosa (or leopard) pattern gene. A horse does not have to be of the Appaloosa breed to display an appaloosa pattern (POA, Knabstrupper, miniature, Colorado Ranger, etc.)
     
    12-06-2010, 01:45 PM
  #55
Trained
Quixotic - Don't for get PATN. PATN is also part of the appaloosa coloring genes. When you have LP and PATN together is when you tend to get more colorful horses.
     
    12-06-2010, 02:18 PM
  #56
Yearling
Yep, absolutely! It is, of course, not limited to just the Apps.
     
    12-06-2010, 04:53 PM
  #57
Weanling
IMO there are basically 2 ways for a horse to be considered an Appaloosa- or appaloosa.

One way a horse is called an Appaloosa (notice the capital "A") is by its bloodlines and where it is registered-- the original/most common place Appaloosas are registered in the Appaloosa Horse Club. There are specific rules about bloodlines, and one parent has to be "colored"-- "color" is preferred in registered ApHC Appaloosas, but not required.

There ARE registered Appaloosas that look like your gelding (who IS very cute BTW). But grey/fleabitten/speckled coats are not part of being an Appaloosa-- its just that solids and/or greys with the right pedigree can be registered Appaloosas because of their parentage.

The other way a horse can be called an appaloosa (notice the lower-case "a") is by being appaloosa-colored/patterned. Many people see a leopard or spotted blanket or varnish roaning and automatically call the horse an appaloosa. This is because of their color/pattern, not their bloodlines.

Unless you can track down info on your gelding's parentage, there is no way of knowing if he could be considered an Appaloosa. If he doesn't have Appaloosa-qualifiable parentage, then he isn't one. He also would not be an appaloosa, as in, a horse called appaloosa because of his color-- because fleabitten or dappled grey is not an appaloosa color or pattern.

This does not mean anything bad about your trainer-- he might have been told the gelding was an appaloosa and was just passing on the info. A good trainer is a good trainer, pretty much regardless of his ideas about breeds or colors. Heck, the best repro vet I can use in my area insisted, for years, on calling one of my obviously characteristic, roaned-to-mostly-white registered Appaloosa mares a grey every year on her Coggins. I couldn't convince him otherwise. All that mean is that his idea of what was a grey was wrong-- meant nothing about his talents as a vet! I sure didn't quit using him or have a changed opinion of him because he called Tabby a grey-- he went to school to be a vet, not a coat color or breed expert. LOL. And he was an awesome vet.
     

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