Haha and so it starts again....
OP I think the only way you will know for certain is to have him tested!
This lol. $25 for a red test, which will tell you if the horse is red or black based. $40 for a red + agouti test, which will tell you not only the base being red or black, but also if they are or if they carry bay (depending on the base).
Im really not worried what colour he is I just wanted to show him off really haha... and he currently stands at 14.2 /14.3 so cosidering he's not even 16 months he's guna be a BIG boy.... about the whole leg thing I don't have any pictures to show it but he almost has like leopard print legs and they do get lighter not sure why it doesnt come out in pictures tho x
When it comes to color genetics, I leave that to someone else. Why? Because I could really care less. All I care about is the horse standing in front of me. Is he sound? Is he able to do what the owners want him to do? Will I be able to improve him? Color is just not important to me. Might I describe him based on a narrow definition of "color"? Yup, probably.
Unless I was involved in a careful breeding program I don't really care about the molecular components of subtle differences. All the stallions I have dealt with, I was riding/training/and showing. I was not planning their breeding. Several were homozygous, so they took the guesswork out anyway.
If I see a brown horse with a black mane and tail, I'll probably call it a bay. A red horse will likely be called a chestnut and so on. If someone asked me what that bay and chestnut might produce, I will say you better ask Bubba or someone who has taken the time to know.
^^That is my exact thought as well. Perfect definition of one, even down to the lighter legs. I really wish I had a good picture of one of our old horses named Scotch Judge. He was commonly mistaken for black, he was so dark, but he still had the legs that faded to a lighter reddish hue the closer you got to his hooves.
A couple more great examples of true liver chestnuts...
Here is about the most extreme example I've been able to find...but you can still spot his color by the lighter reddish tinge on his legs.