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    12-11-2012, 11:24 PM
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Help identifying pinto markings please?

Okay I'm really confused and trying to get this right. Any help would be appreciated.

This little guy is 1/2 Arab 1/2 Paint. By that definition though, he can't technically be Paint because he can't be registered as Paint due to the fact his father is an Arab. Am I right on this?

His color would be a chestnut/sorrel pinto. Tobiano with splash because his face white goes down underneath his chin. Sabino because his face marking is fairly uniform and *possibly* frame because of how wide the blaze is at the top? Both of his eyes are brown which might be causing me confusion on the frame part, I'm not sure. Or is that Sabino or both?

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    12-11-2012, 11:29 PM
  #2
Yearling
Definitally splash. But I personally would think he's splash and tobiano. I see tobiano in his left side.
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    12-11-2012, 11:45 PM
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Trained
He's 1/2 Arab and PINTO. He may have a registered Paint parent but could not be registered as a Paint horse in the APHA. Pinto, PtHA is a color registry and not restricted to only a couple of breeds, as is Paint. I agree with Tobi, Splash, Sabino maybe and Frame maybe. Only way to know for sure is to pull tail hair and test AND the Sabino may not show up on the test, Arabians carry a different one that isn't testable yet.

So, he could be dual registered as a HA and Pinto. Does that help, I hope?
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    12-11-2012, 11:53 PM
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Green Broke
Definitely tobiano and frame. Probably sabino, I'm not so sure on splash. IIRC sabino can cause white on the chin.

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Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians    
He's 1/2 Arab and PINTO. He may have a registered Paint parent but could not be registered as a Paint horse in the APHA. Pinto, PtHA is a color registry and not restricted to only a couple of breeds, as is Paint. I agree with Tobi, Splash, Sabino maybe and Frame maybe. Only way to know for sure is to pull tail hair and test AND the Sabino may not show up on the test, Arabians carry a different one that isn't testable yet.

So, he could be dual registered as a HA and Pinto. Does that help, I hope?
You wouldn't consider calling him 1/2 Arab, 1/2 Paint correct?
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    12-11-2012, 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians    
He's 1/2 Arab and PINTO. He may have a registered Paint parent but could not be registered as a Paint horse in the APHA. Pinto, PtHA is a color registry and not restricted to only a couple of breeds, as is Paint. I agree with Tobi, Splash, Sabino maybe and Frame maybe. Only way to know for sure is to pull tail hair and test AND the Sabino may not show up on the test, Arabians carry a different one that isn't testable yet.

So, he could be dual registered as a HA and Pinto. Does that help, I hope?
Yes yes that does help. I thought so but wasn't 100% on all the Paint stuff. I knew he couldn't be 1/2 Paint even though he is but I wasn't sure how you'd technically say that. Thank you.

And yeah .. I think at some point I will have him tested just for fun to see. I was looking through some older color posts trying to figure it out just by looking to see if I can come close. Ya'll have taught me a lot on this section of the board!
     
    12-12-2012, 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by verona1016    
Definitely tobiano and frame. Probably sabino, I'm not so sure on splash. IIRC sabino can cause white on the chin.



You wouldn't consider calling him 1/2 Arab, 1/2 Paint correct?
I would call him a Half Arab Pinto when just describing him in general terms. If I was discussing his pedigree though I would refer to his Arab half and his Paint half if the Paint half is registered, if not I would only say Pinto.

So, let's say I have a foal by SVS Il Divo (Pure bred Arabian) and out of Bright As A Star (Registered Paint Mare), I'd say he's a half Arab out of a Paint mare. I'd register him as a Half Arab and Pinto because those registries will accept that kind of parentage. I wouldn't ever refer to HIM as a Paint.
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    12-12-2012, 12:36 AM
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Green Broke
I think they call them pintabians. He is really cute !
     
    12-12-2012, 02:03 AM
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Trained
Actually, he could be triple registered, 1/2 Arabian, Pinto and Painted Quarab. Pintabian im not sure on, I think they have to have a higher percentage Arabian.
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    12-12-2012, 03:42 AM
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Well we can definitely check tobiano. The white crosses his spine, and is coming from hip to leg and shoulder to leg.

Sabino looks like it could be there. The face white is fairly symmetrical, and continues onto the lip and chin, a sabino characteristic. The edges of his leg white also seem a bit "messy", which I would associate with sabino also.

I am not certain splash is there. The face white is falling minimally to one side, but it's not drastic. I don't see any other splashy traits, such as clean edges to the white.

Frame may be there. The face white is spreading above the eyes, which can indicate frame. However, for me, the calling card seems to be in the neck white - it seems to be trying to go horizontal along the neck. I also feel like the leg white at the front is being cut off from the rest of the body white, which could also indicate frame as it doesn't like other patterns to have leg white.
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    12-12-2012, 09:47 AM
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Chilla - Thank you. Your explanation helped me see a bit more how to identify/read body white markings. I tend to use the face all the time.

Dreamcatcher - That makes sense. Thank you.

Desert - Thanks for that. I had NO idea there was a Quarab/Paint registery lol And I think you are right about Pintabians. I looked at a few that were advertised as being that. Holy wow they were expensive I might add *coughs* ... And I believe most of them were 98-99% Arabian.
     

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