I've been researching online since I bought her this summer and am still very confused... I've never seen a Paint quite like her, and she seems to have markings that are consistent with entirely different patterns... And I'm no professional with APHA patterns. I know she is registered as a Bay Tobiano/Overo. At first I thought she was just a "Tovero," but I've read that "tovero" is an often misused and is a "too general term" to accurately describe most patterns. I know she's not a typical Tobiano, and I know she's not a typical Overo! So what IS she??? Any suggestions or help is gratefully accepted!
A quick overall description since her pics aren't super great:
-Two blue eyes (both have black-ish spots around them)
-Mostly white face (very large brown patch on left side, and mostly black lips)
-Has ALMOST medicine hat ears, but one is white on the back with brown speckles!
-Has many black points, so I'm sure she's a Bay at least.
-Very large body patches
-Back line is broken (white on top of hindquarters and withers)
-Many "cat tracks" just behind shoulders and around barrel area (I read this is typical of homozygous tobianos?)
-Some roaned out edges on the big patches (overo? sabino?)
-All 4 legs mostly white, but front left has a large patch at the top.
Phew! Sorry post is so long. Here are a couple pics to help, and you can check her out in my "barn" as well if that helps! Thanks so much!
Hmm, I've having technical difficulties getting the pictures to post... Please go to my "barn" on my profile. I have many pictures of Calypso on her page. Thanks again for the help!
You are lucky you got a horse with "eyeliner" with so much facial white! I don't think it is sabino causing the snowflake type flecking. I'd say the tobiano was at fault for that. And by the way the color moves on her body, I'd suspect frame. And yes, I'd also say splash. So my guesses are frame tobiano with splash.
Thanks for the responses! I thought her markings lean toward tobiano also, but what would cause so much of her face to be white? I thought that was typically not possible in a tobiano. Posted via Mobile Device
I'd say she is almost certainly, a homozygous Tobiano, with some forum of sabino, splash and possible frame. Definitely test for frame if ever breeding. Unfortunately, the way the APHA defines colour, is very outdated.
I had heard of lethal whites before, but didn't understand where they came from or how to prevent it from happening so I did some researching... I will DEFINITELY be testing my mare before I breed her. I was thinking of waiting a couple years, but am tossing around the idea of breeding her in the future since she's such an all-around dream (I'm biased, of course!). I had been looking into studs with homozygous tobiano patterns and it appears that many of them have already been tested for OLWS as well, so that's good. Also hoping I can find a stud who's homozygous for the black gene too, because a bay or black paint baby would be awesome. Thanks very much for your help and advice!
Stevenson, she's actually a bay. She has black points on the tips of her ears, toward the top of her leg that has color, has a black streak in her mane and also on in her tail, so I'm pretty sure there's no sorrel or chestnut. Thanks for the compliment though, I think she's beautiful. :smile: So glad everything worked out so that I could get her.
Beautiful! I feel lucky that Caly has the eyeliner... I watched a tv show that showed the process some people use to actually tattoo white-faced horses with the eyeliner to prevent future eye issues. Didn't look like a fun procedure. Of course, they sedate the horse but it still looked unpleasant to me. Glad I don't have to worry about it! :smile:
Tovero, the horse has both tobiano and overo markings with a medicine hat, and the "paw prints" on the shoulders are typical of horses that are homozygous for tobiano, although I have seen a palomino tobiano that had "paw prints" that was not- so no garantee.
Verona1016, that is true. I should have been less specific in the title, perhaps. I just didn't want people to try to tell me what breed she is. :smile: She is registered APHA and her papers have her coloring listed as "TOB/OVR" which I'm assuming means Tovero. But I also know that that classification is outdated and has been for some time. So I was looking for an updated and more specific way to describe her markings and patterns.
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