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        08-10-2013, 11:30 PM
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    How did this happen? paint question

    My paint gelding is a BS paint. He is a big bay with a blaze and some roaning.
    But my question is both of his parents were Overos... How come he is solid? Sorry if this is a dumb question, but it has been bothering me lately.
    He does have a blue eye also.
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        08-10-2013, 11:47 PM
    First of all, toss out the word "overo". It really is an archaic word that has no relevance today when discussing genetics. It literally means "my horse has white, but I don't think it is tobiano, so I am going to lump it as overo and be done with it."

    As for your horse, he does have some white, so he clearly inherited a white pattern from one or the other of his parents. See, the thing with white patterns is that sometimes, they express minimally. A blaze, a star, a tiny snip of white on one heel, there are all still caused by white patterns. They are just restricted to these tiny markings. So your horse got the pattern, and just didn't express it as much as his parents.

    Assuming he is the horse in your avatar, I would say there is a good chance he has frame, which is causing the white blaze and possibly the blue eye.
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        08-11-2013, 10:54 PM
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    Yes that is the horse in my avatar. I didn't know that Overo was thrown out lol
        08-11-2013, 11:04 PM
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    Originally Posted by paintluver    
    Yes that is the horse in my avatar. I didn't know that Overo was thrown out lol
    All Chiilaa is talking about is when you reference his dam and sire were Overos.
        08-11-2013, 11:53 PM
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    No I know, I just didn't know that Overo was a term not being used so much any more. I still used it lol
        08-11-2013, 11:58 PM
    Originally Posted by paintluver    
    No I know, I just didn't know that Overo was a term not being used so much any more. I still used it lol
    A lot of people still use it. I was reading the Arizona Equine Connection the other day while my friend and I were waiting for the vet to come look at her horses (they were attacked by a mountain lion) and they had an article on pinto patterns (specifically tobiano) and they only differentiated sabino from the rest of the "overo" genes. Drove me up the friggin' wall!!
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        08-12-2013, 12:46 AM
    Just like Chiilaa said, even though he clearly inherited some pattern for white markings, they don't always express as something flashy.

    Note: the following statements are purely hypothetical illustrated by random internet pictures. I'm not actually sure if the patterns of the sire and/or dam could produce a maximum white foal.

    So, if this horse

    Was bred to this horse

    They might have one foal that looked like this

    And another foal that looked like this

    Or maybe even a foal that looked like this

    That's why I've never understood stud ads that say "guaranteed color on foals". They can't guarantee that. They can guarantee that the foal will inherit a color gene, they can't guarantee how much expression that gene will have.
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        08-12-2013, 01:56 AM
    If you were really curious about whether he inherited any pattern, you could test him.

    My mare is out of a loud colored buckskin frame/splash/sabino mare and by a solid palomino QH. She's solid buckskin (per the APHA's definition) , but is positive for frame.
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