How to get Silver Dapple with flaxen mane and tail

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    01-02-2012, 03:16 PM
How to get Silver Dapple with flaxen mane and tail

I breed and show TWH and I love the color Silver Dapple with Flaxen mane and tail. I found a stud who is a silver dapple, so what color of mare do I need to breed with to possibly get a silver dapple with Flaxen Mane and Tail? Would be nice if the silver is as Dark as possible lol.
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    01-02-2012, 03:40 PM
Silver dapples do not have flaxen manes and tails. The dark body with a light, silvery mane and tail is what a silver dapple looks like. First of all, color should be the last thing you're breeding for. Silver dapple is black with the silver gene. The only way you could be 100% to get a silver dapple foal would be if the stud was homozygous for both black and silver and the mare was not an agouti carrier.
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    01-02-2012, 04:36 PM
Why do you say silver dapples do not have flaxen manes/tails? Maybe my mare did not get that memo? I do agree, breeding primarily for color is dangerous & in RMH there is an eye issue connected to the silver gene that makes it unwise to breed silver to silver.
    01-02-2012, 04:45 PM
Silver dapples do not have a flaxen mane and tail because the pale coloration of those areas are part of the color itself. You wouldn't say "he's a bay with a black mane and tail", because a black mane and tail are a given on a bay horse. Same with a silver dapple, the pale mane and tail are a given.

I have to agree with Po on the other note, color should be the extreme last thing on the list of things to consider before breeding.

1) make sure both the sire and dam have solid, sound conformation that compliments each other

2) make sure both the sire and dam have good temperaments

3) make sure both the sire and dam are proven at some discipline, preferably the same discipline or 2 that compliment each other

4) make sure that the foal is registerable in a recognized registry

If the combination of quality mare and stud also carry the possibility of throwing a silver dapple, then awesome, but getting a silver dapple foal wouldn't mean much if it was born with horrid conformation and a crappy temperament.
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    01-02-2012, 07:18 PM
I'm not a genetics expert by any means, but (at least in my breed) silver dapples can have manes/tails ranging from a brownish color with flaxen streaks to almost white, and sometimes they will darken with age. The very light "flaxen" coloration is not always a given.
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    01-02-2012, 08:02 PM
Why don't you just buy the horse in the color you would like if it is that important to you? Or if you have found a stud you like you can ask the owners if they know anyone or if they themselves have a broodmare that they would be willing to do a breeding lease out to you or reserve a foal before it hits the ground.
    01-02-2012, 08:34 PM
Flaxen only expresses on red. Silver (dapple) on expresses on black. Silver Dapple will usually give you a pale (silver) mane and tail, not always and some darken with age, but usually.

Breeding two flaxen chestnuts together will usually give you a flaxen chestnut (though not always and some darken with age).

They are two separate color/genes, and you really won't get a horse exhibiting both as they work on two separate base colors.

To get a silver dapple foal you would need to test the stallion (and or mare) and pick one that is homozygous for black (and agouti if you want to make sure the foal is silver dapple bay, no agouti if you want black). And, most stallions are not homozygous for Silver Dapple, so you'd have a 50/50 chance.
    01-02-2012, 11:59 PM
Of course im not breeding for only color, I just really like that color and would like to own a horse with that coloring someday. I found a stallion with the silver gene who has excellent bloodlines, and all of my mare have excellent bloodlines. Just needed to know what one of my mares I should breed him to, to try and get that color. Thanks for every1s input.
    01-04-2012, 03:43 AM
And remember, not all silvers will be silver dapples. And you will never get a silver with a flaxen mane and tail. Silvers have most often, a more grey appearance, whereas a flaxen is more yellow. That said, there are some chestnuts with flaxen manes and tails, who carry the silver gene and produce silvers in their offspring.

    01-04-2012, 11:44 PM
So an off breed topic from the twh, how do rocky mountain horses get their color, which appear to be a dark silver with flaxen mane and tail anyways.

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