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        06-23-2011, 08:22 PM
    Indy I would actually say yours is a really, really sundfaded black and not chestnut at all. The baby silver-y color is an indicator of black.

    And yes silver in and of itself is its own color.
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        06-23-2011, 08:31 PM
    Green Broke
    ND, a lot of people have said that based on pictures of her (and her brother as well) but when they see her in person they say otherwise, because her coat actually grows in like that, starting from her underside and flanks which I am told is an area that typically doesn't sun fade much. But at the same time she retains a black head (her brother does not). On her one foot that has no sock or stocking, she has that tell-tale lighter ring around the fetlock I am told is the hallmark of a chestnut. So I have heard a lot of different opinions on the subject, I think the only way to know for sure is to have her tested. I have not tested her or her brother at all so I really don't know. Her mother is a fading black (tobiano/sabino?), but she doesn't sunbleach nearly as much. Freyja has a LOT of stray whites all through her coat, ticking style, jagged edges to the white patches, and pointy socks, so I suspect she is sabino though she is not tested. (She is half shire, half paint - Shire's typically DO carry sabino) Sire of both is a chestnut, full Shire, also sabino I suspect. Finn, Fiona's brother, has a large belly spot (as does his sire) but Fiona shows no sabino signs outside her multi-colored tail. (hard to get on a picture though lol). So lots of confusing factors going on to pinpoint a color. Most people who have seen them in person seem to agree on liver chestnut, though.

    I didn't know silver was a true color, thought it was just a modifying gene (like in silver bays). So thank you for teaching me something new :) lol
        06-23-2011, 09:20 PM
    Well it is a modifier. >.< I should have worded that different.

    What I was trying to say is there is actually a modifier/color that is called silver. Not like "silver" grullo/a horses which is describing the color and not the true name of the color.

    Gah. Tell me if I am making any sense. Running on a lack of sleep.
        06-23-2011, 09:28 PM
    Green Broke
    Originally Posted by NdAppy    
    Well it is a modifier. >.< I should have worded that different.

    What I was trying to say is there is actually a modifier/color that is called silver. Not like "silver" grullo/a horses which is describing the color and not the true name of the color.

    Gah. Tell me if I am making any sense. Running on a lack of sleep.
    You're not. Lol. But I understand the lack of sleep.

    I know that silver can be a modifier, like in ponies (my son's pony Misty is a silver bay, and it's also a modifier in silver dapples/taffy right?) but is there actually such a thing as a silver colored horse? I got the impression that was what the previous poster was asking, I didn't think there was such a thing (but as mentioned, I don't know much about color, still trying to learn because I find the genetics fascinating!). As for other stuff I decided to stop thread hijacking and sent you a long, rambling, blabber filled PM instead
        06-23-2011, 09:38 PM
    No there is no silver horse.

    Silver is a modification and horses are referred to as Silvers when they carry it. There are silver dapple or silver black, and silver bays. Sometimes both are called silvers with out saying anything more than Silver.

    Silver lightens black hairs and works only on black. Red horses can carry silver but it will not show on their coat because there is no black to lighten. Silver will also cause the mane and tail to bleach out, which will vary in degree from horse to horse.

    ETA silver is also heard a lot when talking about grullo/a horses. But it is not referring to anything more than the silvery color that a horse is. In my opinion it is incorrect to refer to a grullo/a as silver unless they are carrying the silver gene. More so since there are APHA and AQHA horse that are known to carry the silver gene.
        07-19-2011, 03:57 PM
    He is shedding out nicely. I'll get pics for you all soon.
    Also had him tested. He is a sable champagne. He is really cool looking now!

    Awesome little guy- Thank you for your input!
        07-19-2011, 10:16 PM
    Subbing to see photos of him! You are so lucky to have been given such a gorgeous guy as a gift!
        07-20-2011, 02:32 PM
    Originally Posted by BansheeBabe    
    What do you mean, color or breed? His color is brown, because of the lack of black points, and as for the breed. No idea. But I don't know what you want to know so hope this helps??
    This is in the color section, so it is safe to assume that's the question they are asking.
        07-22-2011, 10:50 PM
    The eyeliner and the dark skin on the muzzel, I say the paint is the daddy. As far as color, I say bay.


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