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    10-08-2012, 02:33 PM
Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj    
I get what you're saying blueeyedpony but I'm pretty sure there's never been a homozygous tobiano with NO white whatsoever. A horse with absolutely zero white is likely to be the only type of horse without any pinto pattern. Not for sure of course, but most pinto patterns will display physically albeit sometimes VERY slightly (coronet band, small snip, etc.) unless of course you're also dealing with grey.

That actually intrigues me - can a pinto gene be carried without a single physical trait? Can a horse be splashed white tobiano and not have a single white hair? Color experts? I know we've seen minimal whites but horses with NO white are fairly rare to begin with - what are the chaces they're carrying pinto patterns?
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I'm sure Chiilaa has her stock of pictures saved to her computer that will save me quite a bit of time googling..

I've heard of extremely minimal tobianos but because I'm not the greatest googler, I can't find one at the moment without a single white marking. I did find a mini with two white pasterns that is T/T. Minis are insane with their colors and patterns, so it would not be surprising to see a mini with not a fleck of white have at least 1 pattern. O.O

Frame is also extremely good at hiding, which is why we harp on those breeding (especially stock breeds) to know their horse's frame status.

Splash, frame, and sabino are all very good at remaining minimal and appearing to be only "normal" markings. My mare has a large blaze and is N/O. Another user has a mare with just a large star that tested N/O. I board with a SPB mare that has a two socks, a star, and a little snip that hooks on one of her nostrils that teases me about her splash status.
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    10-08-2012, 03:08 PM
Green Broke
I know they're all good at hiding, I'd just never heard of a horse with ZERO white having a pattern. Especially not homozygous which tends to mark even more then heterozygous tobiano! I'd be very interested to hear Chiilaa's take on it!
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    10-08-2012, 03:45 PM
Well this mini has no white and is a frame carrier. I know there is very minimal tobis out there, but I can't find my pictures at the moment.

    10-08-2012, 04:32 PM
Green Broke
I stand corrected! Thanks NdAppy!
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    10-08-2012, 08:07 PM
I can't find the pictures right now, but there have also been horses that have to carry splash that have no white. They were a pair of Gotlands that had no white at all, but one of their foals has tested homozygous for splash 1. I can't remember seeing a tobiano with no white, the least I have seen is this mini mare:

Here is another mini with minimal tobiano:
    10-08-2012, 08:31 PM
Found them!!

These two have each had a foal that has been confirmed homozygous for splash 1. So they both have to have it too, as we all know, homozygous foals need a gene from both parents.

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    10-12-2012, 03:22 AM
Oooooh, I stand corrected on the chestnut thing. You learn something new everyday!

Gosh, even tho I have no plans to breed my mare (shes the mare mentioned in the original question) you guys have made me really curious! I'm getting her genetics tested now. XD.
    10-12-2012, 07:21 AM
Chestnut x chestnut can equal mushroom
    10-12-2012, 12:17 PM
Originally Posted by rbarlo32    
Chestnut x chestnut can equal mushroom
I happened to just see this on the Color Forum the other day and from more googling, there is really no substantial evidence about this. Currently, the colors popping up in those Shetlands is just another anamoly that's unproven. But until some research is put into it, I wouldn't even really mention it.
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    10-12-2012, 02:02 PM
The thoery is that mushroom is a resevive gene that only effects chestnut ponies

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