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Im breeding my Mare to this stud, but i cant figure his color out???

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        12-18-2012, 11:24 AM
      #31
    Yearling
    I have a question about the mares skin on the one side (in the picture) it's very wrinkly. I've read this thread on two different computers so i'm sure it's not just my monitor. Has she been tested for HERDA?
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        12-18-2012, 12:29 PM
      #32
    Weanling
    Both of these horses are nice looking horses... she plans on keeping the foal....she isn't breeding five other horses...This is a one time breeding to get a foal from a mare she likes (grade or not).. AND she has a plan for this foal. PLUS she plans on testing for the lethal white gene..

    I am failing to see a problem here. Sorry but some of us want a foal out of a good mare that we own, not some unknown foal from some unknown mare.. And just because a horse has no papers does not make them completely worthless.. If you take the time to choose parents that will compliment each other, and you actually have a plan and follow through with age appropriate training, who cares if the horse is grade- what you are doing is ensuring that horses future ..simply having papers can't do that.


    I could see the hate if this lady was breeding "to calm her mare" or if she was a friggin train wreck of flaws that even the best of the best stallion couldnt iron out...but I think that's not the case here.. The hate would be better directed at ACTUAL breeders who are still breeding 9, 10 or more mares a year..Or the ACTUAL breeders who purposefully breed hypp positive horses..or halter horses that will never make decent riding horses after their halter career is over.. see where I am going with this?? Some one who breeds one mare one time with a plan, is not why there are so many unwanted horses floating around..
         
        12-18-2012, 12:33 PM
      #33
    Weanling
    If she had herda it would have presented itself by now ( I assume she is riding this mare).. The saddle would tear the skin.. Not to say she isnt carrying the gene (another thing it wouldnt hurt to test for to be on the safe side with a grade).

    Before I ever think about breeding my mare pepper I will have to have her tested as she does have some herda horse lineage..
         
        12-18-2012, 01:15 PM
      #34
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by MsBHavin    
    I have a question about the mares skin on the one side (in the picture) it's very wrinkly. I've read this thread on two different computers so i'm sure it's not just my monitor. Has she been tested for HERDA?
    I saw it to and thought it looked like skin alergies/hives which could be a concern. I am not familiar with Herda but I will look it up as I am curious
    as to what it actually is.
         
        12-18-2012, 01:19 PM
      #35
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by churumbeque    
    I saw it to and thought it looked like skin alergies/hives which could be a concern. I am not familiar with Herda but I will look it up as I am curious
    As to what it actually is.
    Oh my that is a sad disease.
         
        12-18-2012, 01:24 PM
      #36
    Weanling
    The skin will actually tear and peel off..horrible disease!! If for some reason it hasnt been found out a horse has this while he is young ( getting kicked in the pasture and such)..when saddle training time comes around you will be sure to know..
         
        12-18-2012, 01:33 PM
      #37
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    Originally Posted by MsBHavin    
    I have a question about the mares skin on the one side (in the picture) it's very wrinkly. I've read this thread on two different computers so i'm sure it's not just my monitor. Has she been tested for HERDA?
    I also noticed that wrinkling on her right side? It almost looks like she was having an allergic reaction from being bitten a lot from flys. As for breeding I'd definitely test for HERDA and frame. Before I bred my mare I also did that as I wanted a nice healthy foal which he is. If he's grade an you just plan on keeping the baby for your own enjoyment and you read and educated yourself well, then it's not the end of the world of all horse kind. But even with all those tests you can still have complications during pregnancy and birth. As friend of mines mare who has had a few foals btw, a couple months back she went into labor when no one was home. We're not sure how long she was in labor for till her dad came home and saw her struggling to give birth. He had to pull the foal out himself but unfortunately the foal was still born. Not only that but of he hadn't of came home when he did they would of lost thier mare too. And that could happen to anybody mares like to sneak off and have babies when nobody's looking. So just think about that possibility please. There are so many grade colts being thrown away at auctions. I don't know what yor paying in stud fee's but you could buy yourself a nice colt even a registered one with the cost of most stud fee's. Now the reason people get so mad is cause many grade colts and horses end up in meat markets and auctions. And becuase or the surplus of unwanted horses the horse market is horrible. Here is an example how many end up. I recently bought a grade dunskin colt. He is a beautiful horse but he was half dead when purchased at the auction he had been attacked by horses from the appearance of his wounds. He had a gash to the bone above his eye. He eye was swollen shut. He was cut and bitten everywhere his legs were swollen twice his size and he was very sickly. It took a lot to get him right again but now he will probably have some scaring the rest of his life. But he was definitely worth saving and having good nutrition he has grown like a weed and he's built like a tank. He's almost as big as Jet who is 9 months older than him. He's one of the stoutest 9 month olds I ever had. When I bred Joy honestly I wanted a buckskin but he ended up being bay which is for I like bay too. But I must say it was way cheaper and quicker to go buy me a beautiful buckskin then try to make one. Now I have two nice future barrel racing prospects and I'm happy. So consider buying yourself a nice lil prospect foal. You could save a life even if its one not adopted. If you decide to breed I hope you have a nice healthy baby and a great horse. When he's born be sure to post lots of pictures.
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        12-18-2012, 01:39 PM
      #38
    Weanling
    Papers do nothing to protect a horse from going to auction...papers do not mean a horse is quality. There are plenty of ugly, unhandled, and ill tempered ( but papered! And even some NICELY BRED) horses out there. You want your horse to be marketable (grade or not), put effort into them from conception all the way through training..
         
        12-18-2012, 01:55 PM
      #39
    Showing
    OP, are you aware of how much it costs to breed the *right* way? With prenatal vaccinations, routine vet checks, ultrasounds, extra feed and supplements, the midnight foaling vet call, foaling complications, the risk to your mare, and the extra feed for the foal, the stud fee should be the least of anyone's concerns.

    Please understand that there is absolutely no guarantee your foal will be able to stay with you forever. Things happen. That's life. In the event the foal will need to be sold, the responsible thing to do is ensure that this horse will have the best chances of finding a good home. This means putting him above the average grade QH. You do this by breeding for a registerable foal with excellent conformation.

    With that, I'm out. Please think carefully about this.
         
        12-18-2012, 02:14 PM
      #40
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    Originally Posted by peppersgirl    
    Papers do nothing to protect a horse from going to auction...papers do not mean a horse is quality. There are plenty of ugly, unhandled, and ill tempered ( but papered! And even some NICELY BRED) horses out there. You want your horse to be marketable (grade or not), put effort into them from conception all the way through training..
    I agree with you papers don't necessarily make the horse. I've owned many fine grade horses, like I said I own some now. I think what many are trying to get at is breeding purposely for a horse that can contribute to the horse world. There are so many horses being produce registered or grade that shouldn't have been bred in the first place. Too much irresponsible breeding from lack of education. At least with papers you can know your chances of certain genetic diseases like HERDA from king and poco bueno horses, HYPP from impressive horses, and so on. Of course these are also registered examples of fine registered horses who have contributed disease to the population, so its also a good example of registered horses that probably should not of been bred. But now we have genetic testing for disease so readily available many people here just want to ensure good education to the person who is breeding. So there isn't continuous repeated mistakes made and help less genetically poor horses out there in the world. Now for certain people who were a lil combative and rude I don't think it's nice to assume the OP is a complete idiot just cause they want to breed their horse. You don't know the person so who's to say how much they know. Instead of picking at the OP isn't the point of the forum to make sure the OP is educated in these matters. Attacking someone just because they are curious about breeding is the wrong way to go about it. Instead you should say hey OP do you know these things? If not you should educate yourself on this, this, and this and so on. That way the OP can say oh wow I didn't know that thank you I will educate myself more. That's how I try to answer questions, you attacking and ASSuming can make the OP want to leave the forum permanently and that accomplishes nothing.
         

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