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  • Whats best way to have a buckskin foal and what color should parents be
  • Whats the chance of a bay mare and palamino stud throwing a buckskin

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    06-28-2012, 11:43 PM
  #1
Yearling
Improving chances for a buckskin foal?

So if - IN THEORY - I wanted to breed Spirit, what is the best path for the best chance of a buckskin fillie? She's palomino, her dam was palomino, her sire was sorrel. Only Chiilaa know how to post her pedigree as I haven't learned how yet. Her registration # is 4735453, born Hard As A Gem Stone on March 03, 2004 if you want to see the other colors in her line.

I used the coat calculator and looks like a buckskin sire gives me the best percentages to bring about a buckskin fillie.

I'm in the process of sending of her hairs/DNA for HYPP. Not taking the breeders word for it that she is N/N.

I see on the testing form that I can also choose to get the results of genetic color/coat testing on Spirit.


http://www.horsetesting.com/EquineUS.pdf

If, again in theory, I wanted the best chance of a buckskin fille, is their a box or boxes I should check off in the coat section of the form I showed above?

Any assistance or comments on this are greatly appreciated!
     
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    06-28-2012, 11:47 PM
  #2
Green Broke
I would think, either a horse with a single cream gene, such as Buckskin, Pally, or a smokey black, however there is also the whole perlino, cremello route as well, but with those you also have the chance for a double dilute.

Breeding to the perlino or cremello means they will for SURE pass on 1 cream gene, and because your mare also has 1 creme gene, she could pass hers on and create a double dilute, or not pass one on and create a single dilute, which would be a buckskin, pally, or smokey black.
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    06-28-2012, 11:58 PM
  #3
Yearling
Hold on there Little Kitty

Is it possible that you could break down that very good, analytical, experienced breeder talk down in laymen's terms?

I'd have to do a whole lot of googlin' to make sense of that professor talk you just posted there!!

I get what you are saying for the most part so I think what you are saying is that there isn't 1 color coat to go with and that the having Spirit color tested doesn't help with increasing my odds for a buckskin?
     
    06-29-2012, 12:05 AM
  #4
Green Broke
Well, I may not know a large amount of breeding and genetics but my BO bred a black stud to a palomino mare and they turned out a buckskin. Not sure how much help that is.

Try this.

http://www.horsetesting.com/CCalculator1.asp
     
    06-29-2012, 12:08 AM
  #5
Trained
Ok. A buckskin is genetically E_, A_, Crcr. E means they are a black based horse, A means agouti is restricting black to the points, and Crcr means they have one copy of the cream gene, so are a single dilute.

A palomino is ee _ _ Crcr. Two copies of "red" instead of black at the E locus, so red based, no way of knowing her agouti status without testing, as it doesn't express on a red based horse, and one copy of cream, making her a single dilute.

For the best chance of getting a buckskin foal, you would want to breed to a stallion that was EE AA. Breeding to a Crcr would give you 50% buckskin, 25% bay, 25% perlino. CrCR would give you 50% buckskin, 50% perlino, and crcr would give you 50% buckskin and 50% bay.
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    06-29-2012, 12:12 AM
  #6
Yearling
I could even further muddy the water and add that I would also be happy with a Dun that had the buckskin look. Is that a red dun? Dunno.

Me and my BO are contemplating a future breeding of Spirit and I really like the buckskin/Dun look with the black tail, mane and legs and the countershading/dorsal stripe! So I'm curious is it all just a poo poo shoot or what is the best breeding and testing done to make it possible?

I'd be dissapointed with a perlino, grullo cremello sp? Or god forbid a lethal white as I would keep the fillie.
     
    06-29-2012, 12:14 AM
  #7
Trained
You can completely eliminate the chance of a lethal white by testing her beforehand. It's cheap and once you know her frame status, you will be able to select a stud accordingly. You could also test for her agouti status to really narrow down the selection criteria for the studs.
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    06-29-2012, 12:23 AM
  #8
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Chiilaa    
Ok. A buckskin is genetically E_, A_, Crcr. E means they are a black based horse, A means agouti is restricting black to the points, and Crcr means they have one copy of the cream gene, so are a single dilute.

A palomino is ee _ _ Crcr. Two copies of "red" instead of black at the E locus, so red based, no way of knowing her agouti status without testing, as it doesn't express on a red based horse, and one copy of cream, making her a single dilute.

For the best chance of getting a buckskin foal, you would want to breed to a stallion that was EE AA. Breeding to a Crcr would give you 50% buckskin, 25% bay, 25% perlino. CrCR would give you 50% buckskin, 50% perlino, and crcr would give you 50% buckskin and 50% bay.
So what would the outcome be to a stallion of EE AA on the percentages like you showed for the Crcer, crCR and crcr.

I'll have her tested for the agouti status and lethal white/frame overo. Anything else to test her for since they will already have her DNA for the HYPP test? There is a gray way back 6 or 7 generations ago so I'm worried about that.

I like the odds for the crcr stallion. Either a buckskin or a bay. I'd be a happy camper!
     
    06-29-2012, 12:30 AM
  #9
Yearling
Here is Spirits' pedigree.


Hard As a Gemstone Quarter Horse

Thanks Chiilaa!
     
    06-29-2012, 12:31 AM
  #10
Trained
All those odds were assuming the stallion was also EE AA. A stallion who is EE AA crcr would be bay.
     

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