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  • What do you get when you breed a frame and splash overo
  • What are my chances of getting a colored foal from my paint mare

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    02-03-2012, 05:25 PM
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Increasing chances of splash?

What is the best stud choice to increase chances of passing mare's splash to foal? Or is it just hit and miss?

I would like to have another chestnut splash overo or a splash overo of any color, If you were going for the same thing what would you bred her to?

     
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    02-03-2012, 05:37 PM
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Trained
Well you mare is showing a frame pattern... Is that what you are referring to? (I mean as in her pattern. She does look to have splash as well, but the majority of her white is caused by frame and not splash).

Either way there is no way to guarantee an increase in a chance of white. It is totally random on placement. We can give you genetics that a foal might possibly get, but there is no way to predetermine the size/amount of white a foal would have.

If you are wanting a specific type/color/size of white pattern you are better of buying.
     
    02-03-2012, 05:43 PM
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It is hit and miss, but before considering breeding your splash overo, you may want to test for frame to eliminate the possibilities of producing a lethal white. It hides itself quite well, and your mare may be a carrier -to me, she looks more like a minimally expressed frame than she does a splash IMO. If your mare is a carrier, any stallion that is also a carrier should be removed off your list. From there you can look at other studs with the splash gene, but it is going to be a gamble to get what you are looking for. It may be far easier to find a young foal on the market that has the color, conformation, and breeding that you desire.

I know that in my mom's case, she wasn't able to find what she was looking for on the horse market, so she is breeding for it. She is guaranteed the color she wants but not the gender or markings that she desires. She made selective choices in mare and stallion that increases her odds of getting what she wants with breeding well conformed, well bred, and good temperaments that carry the traits to produce the coloration she is trying to acheive.

Edit- ND replied before me, I take forever to type and proof read
     
    02-03-2012, 05:44 PM
  #4
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I understand that the "smart" thing to do would be to buy what I am looking for but color is not my priority just a "would be nice" factor.

Since she is overo I thought I could not breed to another overo, period. So you are saying if a stud tests negative I could safely breed to another overo?

Is it just frame overos that produce OLWS? What would I be testing for to be sure no matter what she was bred to there would not be a chance for OLWS, or is that possible? OR as long as the say "frame overo" stud is negative it is safe to breed? It's just when both are positive there can be problems, right?
     
    02-03-2012, 05:48 PM
  #5
Trained
Splash is white markings.

Everything Sunny and I said isn't going to change. It is the exact same answer. There is no way to increase the chance.

Same answer as before. You want a certain color/pattern you're better off buying it.
     
    02-03-2012, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by SunnyDraco    
She made selective choices in mare and stallion that increases her odds of getting what she wants with breeding well conformed, well bred, and good temperaments that carry the traits to produce the coloration she is trying to acheive.

This is exactly what I am trying to do Color defiantly isn't my MAIN goal but it would be really nice.
     
    02-03-2012, 05:55 PM
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Trained
You edited you other post since I posted my last one.

Frame is OLWS and OLWS is frame. There are other overo patterns though and they are all called "over" (which is asinine, but that is a whole different rant of mine).

Yes breeding to a frame/OLWS negative stud and you would have no problems.

ETA Every Frame/OLWS to Frame/OLWS breeding produces a 25% chance of a non-carrier, 50% chance of carrier, and a 25% chance of a lethal foal. That is every pairing, not over the breeding lifetime. Every pairing of positive horses the foal has a chance to be one fo the three outcomes listed above.
     
    02-03-2012, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by NdAppy    
There is no way to increase the chance..
That's wrong.

If I were to breed her to a solid chestnut my chances of paint markings would be far less than breeding to a paint. I am just asking what would be the best paint pattern (tobiano,tovero,overo-sabino,frame,splash etc ) to get what I am looking for...
     
    02-03-2012, 05:59 PM
  #9
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Originally Posted by NdAppy    
Yes breeding to a frame/OLWS negative stud and you would have no problems.

But FRAME overos are the only carries? Would a splash overo need to be tested?
     
    02-03-2012, 06:00 PM
  #10
Trained
No it's not wrong. You can breed to very minimal marked horses and get an extremely loud colored foal. You can breed to loud colored horses and get a solid. It is a gamble.
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