Joker is a debatable color! Opinions? (Pic heavy)

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    05-21-2011, 02:54 PM
Joker is a debatable color! Opinions? (Pic heavy)

Joker is out of a bay/zebra dun mare and a buckskin stallion. There has been some friendly debate as to what color he could actually be. He looks like a palomino dun to me, but could he be red dun? Possibly a light buttermilk buckskin dun? Anyone had one this color?

1. Light grey eyes
2. Redish cream main and tail
3. Dorsal stripe and leg barring
4. Dark hooves
5. Dark tipped ears

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    05-21-2011, 03:09 PM
I'm leaning towards buckskin because his tail has a reddish tinge to it and the very end is darker. Many foals have faux dun markings (dorsal stripe, zebra barring, etc) that serve as camouflage rather than their actual genetics. So I'm not sure if he's going to be just a buckskin, or if he'll be a dunskin.

Foal coats are tricky things. It'll be hard to know 100% until after he sheds it out.
    05-21-2011, 03:29 PM
Id say buckskin dun as well, for now, but it will be easier to tell when the foal coat sheds out in a few months.
    05-21-2011, 03:39 PM
I will gues Red Dun. Whicheve he is, he is too adorable!!!
    05-21-2011, 04:04 PM
It is always so hard to tell on ones so young because their color can change so drastically in just a few months. I think I might have to put my money on Dunskin though. With the prominent dorsal stripe and it appears to me that his legs may shed out dark.

Also, for what it's worth, this is what I got as the possibilities in the color calculator.

Dunskin 14.06% -

Buckskin 14.06% -

Bay Dun 14.06% -

Bay 14.06% -

Red Dun 6.25% -

Palomino 6.25% -

Dunalino 6.25% -

Chestnut 6.25% -

Smoky Grullo 4.69% -

Smoky Black 4.69% -

Grullo 4.69% -

Black 4.69% -
    05-21-2011, 04:45 PM
Just a note, when first born, every horse (I have ever foaled) has had grey eyes, that get darker when they get older. In a month or so I bet his eyes will be brown like his parents eyes.
    05-21-2011, 05:04 PM
First thing that came into my mind was cremello, but then when I looked more closely, I realized his mane was too red... so no idea. :/
    05-21-2011, 06:32 PM
^^Cremellos also have ice blue eyes.

I'm going to guess dunskin. My reasons for saying this are:
1. He is very young in the pictures, am I right? (a few days or less) and red based colors (palomino, dunalino, red dun in this case) have pink skin when they are this young. Joker has black/grey skin.
2. He has a dorsal stripe that I'm confident isn't just counter shading (especially considering his mom is dun)
3. Looking closely, he does has black in his tail. My buckskin colt looked almost like a palomino when he was born, though not lacking black quite as much as Joker

He still doesn't have very much black for a buckskin, but that is what he is, no doubt

With my colt in mind, I don't think Joker will get much more black in his mane and tail until he sheds out...
Do you think you can get some better pictures of his tail? :)

ETA: Examples of pink-skinned dunalino and palomino foals:

And light buckskin:
    05-21-2011, 06:46 PM
Found a GREAT example of a palmino-looking buckskin filly!!
    05-21-2011, 07:21 PM
another pale Buckskin foal for reference. Foal coats are nothing to go by. Most horses won't reach their "true" color until almost a year old when all of their foal coat has shed out.

Also the pink skinned palomino, because she is APHA, may carry Pearl. That would cause the pink skin, on a singe cream dilute (ee,Crc, prlPRL) since Pearl is a recessive gene one copy will not always cause a psudo double cream.

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