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    03-18-2012, 12:08 AM
You just have to use caution with internet resources. Who wrote that web page? Are they qualified? What studies were used to back up their claims? Anyone can make a web page and put whatever they want onto it. Anyone can post a photo of a horse and tell you it's this colour or that colour, but that doesn't make it true. Most horse colour and genetic web sites do not cite their sources, so their trustworthiness is questionable. As someone who has a science degree and works in a laboratory, I tend to trust information from science and medical journals, and published books (however antiquated) before that of new ideas posted online by authors without credentials. To be honest, all of the things you said in your last post, we agreed upon, so I'm not entirely sure why you're trying to tell me my sources are outdated and that my statements are wrong. I also gather a lot of my information from the people at animal genetics inc. They and their web site are very informative and they are professionals in the field. Their phenotypical descriptions of the colour patterns do coincide with what Jeanette Gower says in her book. I also refer to the appaloosa project for more-current and in-depth information on spotted patterns. You should give examples of your sources if you have good web-based sources. I am always eager to read more on coat colours.
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    03-29-2012, 03:08 AM
Haha well I think I will get him tested! Im curious now too! :) Ill keep you guys posted
    03-29-2012, 07:47 AM
I can't wait to see if he has anything other than Tobiano and Sabino. I know a palomino overo qh/apha with blue flecking in both hazel eyes. He's pretty but his owner loves him for his unwavering,.sensitive nature. He's a great beginner horse and he's close to 17 hands. I think no matter what color genes your horse is he's still gorgeous
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    03-29-2012, 09:20 AM
Sabino cannot and does not cause blue eyes. By that very fact, it is impossible that this horse is JUST tobiano/sabino. A chin spot can also be indicative of splashed white.

I'm not seeing frame, that's a gene that wants to inhibit white on the legs if it can, and will try to disallow a chin spot. It also causes white markings to spread out above the eyes. I'm not seeing any of that happening in this horse.

It's hard to say for sure what this horse carries other than tobi and sabino (because sabino avoids the eyes and splash/overo does not, and this face marking clearly avoids the eyes, there is no doubt that sabino is there). It may be frame, but I'm not seeing it. It may be splashed white, but I'm also not really seeing that. It would help if you could get some more photos of the face marking, from the front and from both sides.

All I am saying is that there IS something else, this horse is not just tobiano and sabino.
    04-01-2012, 02:31 PM
Okay, I finally got some (hopefully) decent pics!

chinspot copy.jpg

horseeye copy.jpg

rightsidehorse copy.jpg

leftsidehorse copy.jpg

Ignore my boyfriend in the second to last one x)
    04-01-2012, 02:42 PM
I love your horses "suspenders"; the white over his shoulders. Super cool!
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    04-01-2012, 08:26 PM
Looking at these new shots, I want to say frame is in the mix. So my current postulation is "tobiano, frame and sabino".

Tobiano - the white crosses his back, so that's the evidence for that.

Sabino - the white is under his chin and jaw.

Frame - it looks to me like something is trying to restrict the white on his legs. I would expect much freer expression if there was just tobiano and one other pattern. Plus the white on his side screams it to me - a big patch spreading sideways and not connected to the "tobiano" part of his markings.
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    04-01-2012, 09:35 PM
I second what Chiila said. The new photos show markings that indicate frame in addition to the sabino and tobiano mentioned before.
    04-02-2012, 12:03 AM
Wow, sweet guys! Thanks for all the input :)

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