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Just for fun -- What color do YOU think the foal will be??

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  • Tovero Stud that does not carry the Leathal White Gene crossed with Untested Tovero mare
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    02-22-2013, 04:32 PM
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Foal
Just for fun -- What color do YOU think the foal will be??

Hey guys! This is my first post :) I have a mare and stallion who we bred and their baby is due pretty much any day now! I've been looking a lot into horse colors and all that, but I haven't came up with much. So, I thought it would be fun to hear what you guys have to say! It's purely for kicks and giggles. Here are the parents!:
Blondie and Snazz
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r...25143818_o.jpg

Blondie is a beautiful Palomino mare. She's about 14.1-14.2 hands high and she has two white rear socks and a white blaze.
Snazz is a black and white 99.9% homozygous stallion. He is VERY docile, everyone thinks he is a gelding! He is 14.2 hands high and has four white legs with black dots.

I have seen several of Snazz's foals (before I bought him) and they are all paints. Most I've seen are like their mother, but painted up like him. Let me hear your opinions on the color of the foal! I'll keep in touch until the foal is here and we'll see who got it right! :)
     
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    02-22-2013, 04:53 PM
  #2
Trained
Did you test either for frame/OLWs before breeding?

As for colors..

Black, smokey black, brown, bay, brownskin, buckskin, chestnut/sorrel, palomino. Pattern expression is unpredictable.
     
    02-22-2013, 06:01 PM
  #3
Yearling
Agree with NDAppy.

And...a horse can't be 99.9% homozygous...it's either homozygous or it isn't. Simple as that.
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    02-22-2013, 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by NdAppy    
Did you test either for frame/OLWs before breeding?

As for colors..

Black, smokey black, brown, bay, brownskin, buckskin, chestnut/sorrel, palomino. Pattern expression is unpredictable.

No, I didn't :) This guy has lived just a few minutes down the road from me for about 10 years. I've seen maaany of his foals, they've all been beautiful with lots of white on them. I have a paper on hand that basically says he "meets the blood typing criteria for being homozygous in tobiano coloration." Previous owner told me his foals are usually the mother's color with patterns similar to his and he guesses it'll be a buckskin or palomino paint. I honestly don't care about the color, but it's interesting to hear what people come up with :)
     
    02-22-2013, 11:38 PM
  #5
Foal
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Originally Posted by Reno Bay    
Agree with NDAppy.

And...a horse can't be 99.9% homozygous...it's either homozygous or it isn't. Simple as that.


Hahahah silly me, always typing too fast... sorry about that :) I MEANT to say he tested 99.9% positive for the homozygous gene, so he's definitely homozygous!
     
    02-23-2013, 12:12 AM
  #6
Green Broke
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Nice looking pair, i'm quite partial to palominos. Here's what the color calculator predicted for the foal's color:

8.33% -
Smoky Black Tovero
8.33% -
Smoky Black Tobiano
8.33% -
Buckskin Tovero
8.33% -
Buckskin Tobiano
8.33% -
Black Tovero
8.33% -
Black Tobiano
8.33% -
Bay Tovero
8.33% -
Bay Tobiano
8.33% -
Palomino Tovero
8.33% -
Palomino Tobiano
8.33% -
Chestnut Tovero
8.33% -
Chestnut Tobiano
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    02-23-2013, 12:14 AM
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Yearling
OLWS, also known as frame overo,is a pinto pattern that if both parents have it leads to a 25% chance that the foal will die. Even horses that are not clearly frame (OLWS) can carry the gene and pass it on to a foal. ALL horses in breeds that can carry it (AQHA, APHA, appy, TB, and more and crosses of those breeds) should be tested before they are bred.

I will keep my fingers crossed for you that you have a healthy, happy baby.

For your education please read: Lethal white syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    02-23-2013, 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by HorseLovinLady    
Nice looking pair, i'm quite partial to palominos.
Thank you, I agree! :) I've always had a strong love for palominos, ever since I was a little girl!
     
    02-23-2013, 12:29 AM
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Green Broke
And I would say just from that one picture it looks as if the stud does have frame. Do you have better pictures of the two of them where we can see all their markings?

The sire looks a lot like my boy's sire. Henny's sire was a black tobiano and his dam was a perlino. I ended up with the cutest brownskin paint baby ever, but I think I'm a little partial. ;) This is my goof last weekend just to give you a reference what I got out of a black tobiano and a double dilute mare.
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    02-23-2013, 12:33 AM
  #10
Foal
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Originally Posted by Tryst    
OLWS, also known as frame overo,is a pinto pattern that if both parents have it leads to a 25% chance that the foal will die. Even horses that are not clearly frame (OLWS) can carry the gene and pass it on to a foal. ALL horses in breeds that can carry it (AQHA, APHA, appy, TB, and more and crosses of those breeds) should be tested before they are bred.

I will keep my fingers crossed for you that you have a healthy, happy baby.

For your education please read: Lethal white syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Thank you very much! I'll definitely read more about it. I've heard about it a few times, but I don't know everything about it. I'm fairly sure the stallion doesn't have it, I've seen dozens of his babies and they've always been very healthy and strong and I was told only one of his foals died (I believe the mother aborted or she was born premature, but they said it was because of the mother; she has since had other foals by him that survived). He has been a public stud since he was old enough to breed and he is almost 11 now. He may have been tested by the previous owner, but the only paperwork I have regarding anything genetic is the confirmation of him being homozygous in tobiano coloration.
     

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