Just for fun -- What color do YOU think the foal will be??

Oh my, what a cutie!! I bet he's a trip, what a face ;) This may sound silly, but I actually had a dream that the foal was born and he looked similar to your little guy! I'd crack up if he/she really does :)
I will post more pics in a sec! I have plenty!

Thanks, he's my baby. :)

As far as his foals, maybe he's never been crossed with another frame carrier? Or if he has, maybe those foals were the lucky 75% that were not homozygous lethal. You can't take just him into account, you have to consider both sire and dam together. It's not just one copy of the gene being passed on, one copy of the gene HAS to be passed on from both parents to be lethal so both parents must be carriers.

More pics!
Snazz
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r...33565392_n.jpg

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r..._1025758_o.jpg


Blondie
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r...76730331_n.jpg

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r...52461613_n.jpg

Blondie is much much bigger now of course, I don't have any good recent pics of her though!

Both beautiful horses I vote for smokey black Tovero. I don't know if any one else noticed and I don't want to sound rude but in some of your pictures there bob wire for the fencing you don't want that around especially with a little colt or filly that will be running around.

Tovero is an outdated term that shouldn't be used anymore, even if the registries are. It's also barb wire, for future reference.

Do you see how the white is spreading across his body horizontally? That is usually a sign of frame. The white is literally framed by color on the body. Do you also see how your mare's white spreads out above her eyes? Frame also has a tendency to do that. I'm not saying they both have frame because neither of them could. But it LOOKS as if they may carry it, which can be cause for concern. Try and contact the stud owners to see if he's been tested. If he's been bred so extensively for almost a decade I would sure hope he has been tested for any genetic disorders.

Wow Kayella I was just guessing on a color other people said TOVERO and im not in the breeding circuit and don't know the "new terms". Also I meant to put "barb wire" but I am typing on my phone and it auto spells out words sometimes so chill.

Sorry if you read any hostility in that post as there was none. You don't have to be in the breeding circuit, as I'm not either. You can gain a lot of knowledge just reading through the Color and genetics forum which is exactly how I learned what I know about color/genetics. It's really interesting and exciting to look at a horse and see its phenotypic expressions. You can't guess hetero/homozygousity on base colors or patterns, but you can see what they carry at least one gene of which I find neat. You'll also find that most of the color gurus are blunt about what is and what isn't. If you thought what I typed was harsh, you'd read a lot more hostility in what they post. It's a hot topic and some people are really set in their ways. When it comes to breeding, the phenotypic expressions of a horse can indicate if they carry a genetic disorder which everyone is so adament about education anyone on. It may come across as harsh sometimes, but some people need that as a wake up call. :)

A horse is either homozygous or it's not. There is no 99.9% about it. Homozygous means they have two copies of one gene.

I am also guessing neither horses were tested for any other genetic diseases... What are the pedigrees of the two horses?

We are in the process of rebuilding our fence :) We had a horse who tore right through it. No injuries whatsoever, but enough to damage the fence pretty badly. In the picture I posted of Snazz in front of the corral panels is where most of the damage is, that's why the wire looks distorted. The baby will not be in that pasture though :)

Just repeating what I was told. Snazz is registered with the APHA (waiting on the papers to get signed over to me by the owner before the previous owner, but I've seen the papers and looked over them and whatnot). Blondie's previous owner says she doesn't know if she has papers, if she does, she doesn't know who has them. I personally have not had them tested for genetic issues but I feel that I would have been notified if there was something wrong with either of them.