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    02-27-2013, 10:06 AM
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Green Broke
Lethal White Overo info

Hey guys long time no chat. I recently got into a fight with a local breeder over her willingness to breed LWO foals and sell the pregnant mares with no warning to potential buyers. She sent me this link as a rebuttal and as "proof that if you breed for 20 years, you are an expert." I just wanted some of our color experts to weigh in on this link as it seems like a big bunch of horse punky to me - relating to albinosim on horses??? Really??? Looking forward to responses!

Http://www.stallingspainthorses.com/lethal-white1.htm
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    02-27-2013, 10:31 AM
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Trained
That site has pissed me off more than one time. It was put up before it was proved that frame was linked to OLWS and was just still a theory. They are going off of the basis that they haven't lost 25% of foals so they believe the math is wrong. No they are wrong! It's a 25% chance of a lethal foal from EVERY BREEDING not ALL BREEDINGS. The "breeder" who wrote that site is in an irresponsible idiot for promoting and encourage frame to frame breeding.

Anyone who intentionally breeds frame to frame is a moron IMPO. Same goes for people breeding HYPP for that matter.

Breeding frame to frame DOES NOT increase your chance of producing a loud colored foal. All it does is give you the chance of a dead foal!

I personally know breeders who BRAG about breeding frame to frame and how many lethal foals they have produced over the years...
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    02-27-2013, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj    
Hey guys long time no chat. I recently got into a fight with a local breeder over her willingness to breed LWO foals and sell the pregnant mares with no warning to potential buyers. She sent me this link as a rebuttal and as "proof that if you breed for 20 years, you are an expert." I just wanted some of our color experts to weigh in on this link as it seems like a big bunch of horse punky to me - relating to albinosim on horses??? Really??? Looking forward to responses!

Lethals White Gene - Page 1
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Welcome back, good for you for arguing, and the page you linked to is bull hockey. I find it amusing that she said he sired 210 foals and only 4 were lethal whites, but she made no mention of how many of the mares were themselves frame, which is what really matters. She gave the overall numbers as if they were a defense for breeding frames, yet for all we know, the 4 lethal whites represent 100% of frame to frame breeding. If her point was frame to non frame is OK, she sure went about it in the wrong way with her statistics. It sounds to me as if she is trying to justify breeding her frame stallion to anything that moves...frame or not...
     
    02-27-2013, 10:40 AM
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Trained
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They are going off of the basis that they haven't lost 25% of foals so they believe the math is wrong. No they are wrong! It's a 25% chance of a lethal foal from EVERY BREEDING not ALL BREEDINGS.
This. This drives me nuts when people assume that their mare is going to produce 3 foals from frame to frame breedings and then is going to suddenly go, "Oh hey, that 25% thing. This fourth foal is going I have to die, I guess. "
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    02-27-2013, 10:45 AM
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Thanks guys. I read it and bashed my head on a desk but wanted to verify my source. The reason I am SO pissed is this pregnant mare is for sale, in foal to a frame, and NO mention of it to future buyers. Its bad enough when you're irresponsible with your own horses, but dumping her on some poor unsuspecting sap is just beyond irresponsible!

She also brags about twins on her website though so why am I not surprised? She's also threatening to "sue me for slander" because I posted her Kijiji link on FB and warned my fellow friends. What a moron. It's not defamation if its the TRUTH.
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    02-27-2013, 10:51 AM
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broodmares for sale all exposed to stallions for 2013 foals! - Winnipeg Livestock For Sale - Kijiji Winnipeg

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    02-27-2013, 10:52 AM
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"Exposed" - aka, I'm too lazy and cheap to actually have a vet check my dozens of done nothing broodmares to a bunch of done nothing stallions.
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    02-27-2013, 10:54 AM
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Betting she's also one that believes that AQHA horses can't produced lethals as well...
     
    02-27-2013, 11:00 AM
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Showing
That website made my head hurt. Especially the twins "brag."

Grammar, why hast thou abandoned us?! And thee, punctuation, thou charlatan!
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    02-27-2013, 11:46 AM
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Green Broke
Ahahahaha Drafty, thank you for feeling my pain when she e-mails me. This was the one I got today:

Hello Nicole,

You probably don't remember the conversation we had, you sent me a nasty e-mail telling me about my breeding program. Im not sure if you realize this but someone has brought it to my attention that you are slandering my name and my program on fb. I now have a copy of what was all said and posted. If you don't believe me see below.

Mikolaj Falk It happens a lot out of ignorance - a lot of us know to check for things like
HYPP and HERDA in Quarter Horses but we don't realize that a color could be a lurking
Doomsday. I just e-mailed her to tell her she should be more careful and basically got told
Off for assuming she "doesn't know what she's doing" and that she's perfectly aware of the
Risk and is fine with it. Though she also brags about having twins on her website which is
Highly fatal in horses and entirely preventable with a proper vet check, so I'm not
Surprised. No wonder people think we're the rednecks of the horse breeding world.
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Now I'm not sure if you realize this but this is SLANDER and we can go to court over this. So im am kindly advising you to remove your post from fb and mind your business or we will take further action.

You might find this interesting to read... Lethals White Gene - Page 1 and if you don't you might want to e-mail her as well as she has been breeding 10 times longer than myself.

Jenna


BTW, this was my "nasty email" to her originally:

I hope you realize that "Cowpie" and "Shady" are both frame overos and therefore have 25% chance of producing a lethal white overo foal which will have to be euthanized at birth. You should be more careful with the genetics you're working with. Just an FYI.

Yep. Just call me Mikolaj the cold hearted monster.
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