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Lethal White Overo info

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Hey guys long time no chat. I recently got into a fight with a local breeder over her willingness to breed LWO foals and sell the pregnant mares with no warning to potential buyers. She sent me this link as a rebuttal and as "proof that if you breed for 20 years, you are an expert." I just wanted some of our color experts to weigh in on this link as it seems like a big bunch of horse punky to me - relating to albinosim on horses??? Really??? Looking forward to responses!

http://www.stallingspainthorses.com/lethal-white1.htm
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she has been breeding 10 times longer than myself
Haha, this made me laugh. Unless her "friend" has been breeding for hundreds of years, I would say based on that statement, she either has 5 or less years breeding experience or is so terribly ignorant she can't do math or figure out a simple Punnett's square. The logic of that website reminds me of an elderly smoker... "well, I've been smoking for 40 years and I haven't gotten cancer yet..."
 
#30 ·
Do we really gotta go back to biology and whip out the Punnett's square? REALLY? Maybe, just maybe, if we showed that to them they would possibly understand. That LWOS website made me want to punch my computer. "They will either never throw lethal, or always throw lethal." What the hell kind of thinking is that? She even refutes HERSELF with her own personal experience!! 1 out 3 foals was lethal, so does that mean the mare forgot she's not supposed to throw lethal and tossed it in there? -headdesk-
 
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Breeding for color isn't bad if there is research and education on what they are breeding for, plus breeding conformationally/genetically worthy horses. Not all color breeder are this irresponsible. But it really is a shame for these particular horses to have such an irresponsible and ignorant owner.
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I agree witb ponyboy for once. In general, the term itself "color breeder" is indicative of being a moron much like "backyard breeder". Yes there are SOME responsible ones but they are few and far between. I would label anyone who has a pasture of colorful horses that have done jack nothing a "color breeder" along with being a backyard breeder. A responsible breeder with a loudy colored stallion typically can still show accomplishments by both stallion and get and focuses on the loud color very last and results in color just being a happy byproduct of an already outstanding stallion.

And just to clarify, I consider "backyard breeder" a term to describe someone who breeds low quality horses irresponsibly without any adequete veterinary attention. An individual who made an informed decision to breed their mare, purebred or not, did all their research and is willing to provide proper care is not a "backyard breeder" to me.

Oh and FYI, I've never heard back from little miss know it all OR her imaginary lawyer, though she continues to pimp the 37 useless horses she has for sale on Kijiji because she's pregnant and somehow a new child is the deciding factor on why none of them have had a lick of training done with them.

The sad thing is, a lot of them are decent looking horses who likely could have had productive careers and earned the right to use their testicles and ovaries and ultimately be selling for more then under $1000 a piece. *shakes head*
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Well, I agree about "color" breeders, but for us Appy folks the color just comes with anything we breed...most of us don't breed specifically for color but have a colorful pasture - although the people that use junk stallions or mares just because they are homozyous fall into that category...
 
#36 ·
Yeah I think the issue is I only view "color breeder" as a derogatory term because anyone breeding quality horses with color as either a happy byproduct or impossible to avoid circumstance isn't a "color breeder" nor "backyard breeder". I would only ever use the term color breeder to describe a useless twit who bred everything in sight just to produce color. You breed quality animals with purpose and form in mind. If you bred out a loudly patterned stud that wowed everyone with his color but could barely walk from how severely pigeon toed he was, you'd geld him the second you could because you would never sacrifice conformation for a pretty coat. Ergo, you are a well respected breeder and not a color breeder! ;)

I just stumbled across a Kijiji ad for a Warmblood cross weanling - bred a Warmblood to a Paint mare and the colt came out solid bay and as soon as I see that all I can think is "DUH! Obviously that didn't go as planned!" or else he wouldn't be for sale as soon as he was weaned!
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#37 ·
Haha so I've never received a response from little Miss Sue My Pantz, however I DID weed out who was feeding her information on Facebook (another krazy kolor breeder, surprise surprise) AND when this individual attempted to start a little war with me over a recent FB post, a well respeted and well known horse woman got involved and informed me about how Miss Sue My Pantz likes to starve horses on top of not giving a darn over what genetic disease/disorder pops out.

Is anyone surprised? It's always the ones that protest the loudest that live in the most fragile glass houses. Here's hoping she sells all her stock and does the horse world a favor by taking up a new hobby.
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