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post #21 of 35 Old 05-18-2011, 10:00 AM Thread Starter
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Thanks for the input :) In your opinion, do you think he is black or bay with the silver dapple? Or were you thinking something completely different with silver dapple?

My mare I have now is the daughter of the mare I grew up with and had for 20 years and the granddaughter of my mom's first horse that she had for **30** years, and we've always had the same blood line. (pretty neat, huh? :) I have two sons - they both love the tobiano patternbut not so much a trot. I want to cross this little guy with my mare to get a baby with the blood line and tobiano coloring that my sons both love :) So if all he has done that is fantastic is continue being the sweet natured, brave, beautiful boy that he is that more than warrants his gene being passed on for us :))) We wouldn't be doing it to stud him out. Just once then geld :)
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post #22 of 35 Old 05-18-2011, 10:37 AM
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Silver dapple = Silver on black. He is not a silver bay.

Just my opinion, but that still isn't a good reason to breed. Find a good stallion with some sort of merit other then pretty or makes pretty babies, and that most of all has good conformation that compliments the mare if you are really determined to bred.
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Silver dapple = Silver on black. He is not a silver bay.

Just my opinion, but that still isn't a good reason to breed. Find a good stallion with some sort of merit other then pretty or makes pretty babies, and that most of all has good conformation that compliments the mare if you are really determined to bred.
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post #24 of 35 Old 05-29-2011, 10:25 AM
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The OP horse is without a doubt silver black.

Lolamae, yours is silver bay (actually probably silver brown). Again, without a doubt.
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The OP horse is without a doubt silver black.

Lolamae, yours is silver bay (actually probably silver brown). Again, without a doubt.

CheyAut,
Thanks for looking! What makes it without a doubt? I was told a Black with a Cream modifier could do the same thing as a Black with Silver modifier..... Is there something you see that I'm missing that makes him a definite Silver black? Thanks!
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Well a smoky black (cream + black horse) won't have the lighter mane and tail unless there are other genes at play.. cream on a black or brown base often has little effect on the base.. a smoky black often looks very similar to a sun faded black. So your guy would be a silver black, not a smoky black. Totally different effects. You can see some info and photos on smoky blacks here: Morgan Colors- Smoky Black Morgan Horses
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Black with cream doesn't have the silver mane and tail, or the silver dapples.

This mare is smoky black, which is black with a single cream gene. Note for those playing at home, yes, this mare has been tested. She was tested after she produced a BUCKSKIN shire filly lol.


This girl is a smoky cream, also confirmed by testing. Smoky cream is a black horse with two copies of the cream gene, so the black version of a double dilute.


This is a silver black horse. Can you see the difference? I know this guy is also pinto, but his mane and tail would be that colour regardless :)

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Though do remember that gypsies and ponies/minis have more of the dappled coat effect than other breeds, lol!

For example this is a brown silver dapple Morgan



and the one on the left is a black silver dapple (the light manes/tails often darken with age..)

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Yeah there were plenty of pics of minis with exact colour as the OP's horse. I think the OP's horse is unusual in the fact that not many big horses express silver to that degree.

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post #30 of 35 Old 05-31-2011, 08:56 AM Thread Starter
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And liver chestnut is ruled out as well? Thank you all so much for your help & input!
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