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    02-18-2013, 11:29 PM
  #11
Weanling
Can I hijack a tad bit?

Okay, so you guys all seem to know the Lp and Appy genes well. Esp. Compared to my next to nothing knowledge. :)

So my mare is 1/2 appy, 1/2 quarter horse. Her mom was a cremello (*I think, cremello, or perlino, but 99% sure cremello, I can find her stuff and check). Her dad was a rather loud leopard Appy, I was told.
She is a buttermilk buckskin, frosted mane and tail. But she has ONE spot. On her neck... But it is black, like her mane and tail. What causes that? Is that just a standard appy spot? And if it is, why only one? It just seems odd to me that her spot is black, my limited knowledge wants it to be a different color. :) (to add, she does have one sock, with some ermine spots/not fully white at the hoof, but I didn't think that was relevant).
Okay that is all, it is something that I have always wanted to find the answer to, since I got her. :)
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    02-18-2013, 11:47 PM
  #12
Green Broke
A picture would help, but it sounds like a Bend Or spot rather than anything related to Lp.
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    02-18-2013, 11:57 PM
  #13
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Chiilaa    
A picture would help, but it sounds like a Bend Or spot rather than anything related to Lp.
Certainly! Hopefully these get close enough, I haven't taken any pics with the explicit purpose of documenting her beauty mark. :P

These are summer and fall pics, where you can obviously see it better. She has no other black/dark on her besides the one spot. :)
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    02-18-2013, 11:58 PM
  #14
Trained
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Originally Posted by GracielaGata    
Okay, so you guys all seem to know the Lp and Appy genes well. Esp. Compared to my next to nothing knowledge. :)

So my mare is 1/2 appy, 1/2 quarter horse. Her mom was a cremello (*I think, cremello, or perlino, but 99% sure cremello, I can find her stuff and check). Her dad was a rather loud leopard Appy, I was told.
She is a buttermilk buckskin, frosted mane and tail. But she has ONE spot. On her neck... But it is black, like her mane and tail. What causes that? Is that just a standard appy spot? And if it is, why only one? It just seems odd to me that her spot is black, my limited knowledge wants it to be a different color. :) (to add, she does have one sock, with some ermine spots/not fully white at the hoof, but I didn't think that was relevant).
Okay that is all, it is something that I have always wanted to find the answer to, since I got her. :)
Thanks!
There was a filly on here owned by another member that fits that description almost to a T. Her name was Sonata and I can't remember if she was sold or not, but I don't see that poster who had her on here very often.

Lonestar, that stallion for sure has varnish going on, causing some spottiness. Along with splash, and I would wonder about if he carries frame also.
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    02-19-2013, 12:00 AM
  #15
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Poseidon    
There was a filly on here owned by another member that fits that description almost to a T. Her name was Sonata and I can't remember if she was sold or not, but I don't see that poster who had her on here very often.

Lonestar, that stallion for sure has varnish going on, causing some spottiness. Along with splash, and I would wonder about if he carries frame also.
Poseidon, she is my horse now! Hehe. Her old owner, was my trainer, and I bought Sonaty from her last January! I know Cecillia is super busy with life and her new Thoroughbred she is madly in love with! :) I wondered if anyone would realize she was one and the same, as I knew C posted pics of her in the past!
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    02-19-2013, 12:00 AM
  #16
Trained
I just looked up her profile under Cecilia's account too to find that they are the same horse.
     
    02-19-2013, 12:01 AM
  #17
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Poseidon    
I just looked up her profile under Cecilia's account too to find that they are the same horse.
Yep, they are. :) She is my baby now! C did an awesome job with her. :)
     
    02-19-2013, 12:04 AM
  #18
Green Broke
Po- Oh yeah, more genes to muddle my brain. Lol. Are things such as splash, frame, and sabino common in all breeds? I've mainly heard them used in Paint, QH, Arabian, and such. I wasn't sure if they were common in the Appy world unless it was an appy crossed with a pinto/paint.
     
    02-19-2013, 12:05 AM
  #19
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Lonestar22    
Yall have been very helpful!

I found one of this studs foals for sale on Craigslist and I just think he is gorgeous.
He is a snowcap correct? Is there something else at play causing his spottiness in the other areas?

I don't know if that is snow cap or nor but I am sure faceman can tell you.

When I think of snowcap I think of Wapuzzan (who supposedly has thrown 100% color to date)



And the extra color? That's just the Lp gene being consistently unexpected I guess :)
     
    02-19-2013, 12:12 AM
  #20
Trained
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Originally Posted by Lonestar22    
Po- Oh yeah, more genes to muddle my brain. Lol. Are things such as splash, frame, and sabino common in all breeds? I've mainly heard them used in Paint, QH, Arabian, and such. I wasn't sure if they were common in the Appy world unless it was an appy crossed with a pinto/paint.
In terms of American stock horses, tobiano only exists in Paints. But frame, splash, and sabino are fair game in QHs, Paints, and Appaloosas, which is why we are so quick to push people to test their breeding horses particularly amongst those breeds if they are unsure of the frame status.

Otherwise, the genes vary between breeds. Arabs have splash and sabino, but no frame or tobiano. Unrelated, but Gypsies carry tobiano, splash, and sabino, but no frame. There are TB lines that carry dominant white, along with frame and sabino. Probably splash, but I don't know of any testing that has been done (I haven't done much searching for information on it though).
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