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    08-02-2013, 05:46 PM
  #1
Foal
Is my Buddy a "wild bay"?

Okay so I was reading through a thread on this forum and I saw someone said something about a "wild bay" having their black points only extend up to their pasterns or fetlocks. Well, my guy's black points seem to do that! Also, in the winter time, his legs get super fluffy (not like feathers or anything, just fluffy) and the color of the fluff is light tan. Buddy's color seems to change a bit during the year. On his legs at least. Sometimes it seems his points go all the way up to his knees and other times, they stop at his fetlocks. He also has a wee bit of "pangare" (I think that's how it's spelled) where his underbelly and muzzle is a bit lighter than the rest of his body. However, it only seems to be in the winter time. So bottom line, is he a "wild bay"? If not, what are the "required characteristics" of a wild bay? I've attached a few pictures of him. They should post in chronological order :)
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    08-02-2013, 10:07 PM
  #2
Trained
Yup, he is pretty much text book wild bay.
     
    08-02-2013, 11:34 PM
  #3
Showing
Agreed, definitely a wild bay.
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    08-03-2013, 05:37 PM
  #4
Foal
Yep wild bay! Do you know who his sire and dam are? Or at least their colors?
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    08-03-2013, 08:37 PM
  #5
Weanling
Chiilaa, is it possible for a wild bay to be brown? Since some browns appear to look like bays. Or if they are wild bay is it impossible for them to be brown? I'm simpler terms can there be a wild brown? LOL Clear as mud?

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It just made me think of it since his muzzle looks lighter. Can a brown "hide" as a wild bay?
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    08-04-2013, 04:38 PM
  #6
Foal
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Originally Posted by riddlemethis    
Yep wild bay! Do you know who his sire and dam are? Or at least their colors?
I wish I did!! Unfortunately he is as grade as grade can get. I got him almost 2 years ago and he's somewhere in his 20's so I think it will remain a mystery! Do you know what causes the "wild" variation of bay?
     
    08-04-2013, 05:32 PM
  #7
Started
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Originally Posted by riddlemethis    
Yep wild bay! Do you know who his sire and dam are? Or at least their colors?
What sorts of parentage can a wild bay come from? My boy seems to be a pretty good example of a wild bay with the back legs looking just about the same as Buddy and the front legs having a little less black in them. His dam is a palomino while his sire is either a grulla or a buckskin (registered as grulla, looks buckskin in the pictures I have of him). Of course, AQHA has my clearly bay horse registered as a chestnut
     
    08-04-2013, 08:28 PM
  #8
Green Broke
I would have guessed brown with the first few pics showing a honey colored muzzle and the 4th pic showing the black extending up over the front knees.

I do wonder if the agouti genes interact more than the simple dominance we think of, though. I've seen at least a couple A/At horses that look like they have a hint of brown even though it should be recessive to classic bay. On that line of thought I wonder if OP's horse is actually At/A+... too bad there's still no test for wild bay.

I don't think he has any pangare- that presents as a whitish/greyish muzzle instead of the warmer honey/cinnamon color he has.
     
    08-05-2013, 01:55 AM
  #9
Weanling
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Originally Posted by verona1016    
I would have guessed brown with the first few pics showing a honey colored muzzle and the 4th pic showing the black extending up over the front knees.

I do wonder if the agouti genes interact more than the simple dominance we think of, though. I've seen at least a couple A/At horses that look like they have a hint of brown even though it should be recessive to classic bay. On that line of thought I wonder if OP's horse is actually At/A+... too bad there's still no test for wild bay.

I don't think he has any pangare- that presents as a whitish/greyish muzzle instead of the warmer honey/cinnamon color he has.
If I understood that right...I think I had the same question. The way I'm wording it though is can a horse only be wild bay or only brown? Or is there a possibility of a "wild brown"?
     
    08-05-2013, 06:35 AM
  #10
Trained
I have been toying with the idea that agouti is less clear cut with dominance and displaying than currently thought. However, I lack the funds and time to test every suspicious looking horse to prove my theory.
     

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