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post #11 of 26 Old 02-21-2011, 09:15 PM
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He looks like my guy who is a dark bay. When he first gets his winter coat it's jet black and then fades out, but when his summer coat it's obvious in some lights that he is a dark bay and not true black or smokey black.
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post #12 of 26 Old 02-22-2011, 08:25 AM Thread Starter
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Dark bay seems to be the consensus; his coat did that, when it first came in for winter it was so black but it did fade out as the winter went on.
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i agree with the dark bay statement. thats what my guy does. he looks black in the winter and dark bay when he sheds out. but im wondering if the change comes with age?

when i made my first payment on my horse (im paying him off in monthly payments) his owner wrote up a buyers agreement/statement type thing. in it she stated that i was purchesing her "6 year old, black, breed stalk paint gelding" from her.... well in the winter yes he looks very black but once he sheds out...not so black. and i dont think its sun bleaching...not yet anyways lol. and she bought him as a colt so you think she'd know his colouring lol

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as for the roaning.... not to sure. Cody has some white hairs scatterd that are just kinda... there.... sometimes i think it just happens. But if you do travel with him, i woudl have him checked for parasites as a previous poster said.
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I had a solid black mare that was jet black in the winter. When summer would come the sun would bleach her hair and she got very brown and looked almost bayish. :)
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He's very nice! Love those dapples, he's in full bloom! :) I think he's dark bay, it appears his legs, mane and tail are black, but it could just be the pic I guess.
The white flecking of hairs is probably just one of those things, my sorrel has it too.

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post #16 of 26 Old 05-05-2011, 02:21 PM
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I had a thoroughbred mare with a dark bay coat and dapples in the lighter spots. My friend's blood-bay mares and her palomino mare get dapples in the summer when their coat sheds and they are shiny. I was told in some cases, it isn't actually a coat pattern per say, it just means they are healthy and have a healthy coat/skin.


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post #17 of 26 Old 06-01-2011, 03:32 PM
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He is not a Smoky Black. He looks to me like a brown and what you are seeing are dapples which can be present in any coat color. A brown horse would have lighter hairs around the flank and muzzle. In order for a horse to be a Smoky Black he would have to have one copy of the creme gene (only certain breeds have this such as APHAs, QH, Morgans,etc...) I don't know what breed your guy is, he is very handsome by the way but I'm sure he's not a smoky black. Smoky black horses can appear black but if you look closely you can see that trademark smoky/burgundy color in their ears, around eyes and muzzle and in manes and tails even all year long even in winter. The rest of the year when they are shed out you can clearly see that smoky/burgundy hue throughout their black coat. As they mature it becomes more and more faint but it still noticible. See how the two in the middle have that smoky color? They are both adult Smoky blacks but you can still see that they are not black horses.

The first photo is of the horses at my farm and is a perfect example to answer your question. The first is a bay, Smoky black (My mare), Smoky Black, and Brown. The brown in the photo gets dapples like yours that look like that white hair roaning thing you were talking about. FYI the 'roaning' you were wondering about could be rabicano. But in your case looks like dapples to me.

The next photos are of my mare she is a registered Smoky Black APHA her Sire is a Bay Tobiano and Her Dam is a Double Dilute Smoky Cream.

The photo of the pregnant one with the wavy tail is her Dam

Isn't it all so interesting? I love color genetics! I still have so much to learn there are so many posibilities!
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He's very nice! Love those dapples, he's in full bloom! :) I think he's dark bay, it appears his legs, mane and tail are black, but it could just be the pic I guess.
The white flecking of hairs is probably just one of those things, my sorrel has it too.
Thanks. I love his dapples too. so pretty. His mane and tail are black but have red right at the end, but i can only see it if i look closely.

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I had a thoroughbred mare with a dark bay coat and dapples in the lighter spots. My friend's blood-bay mares and her palomino mare get dapples in the summer when their coat sheds and they are shiny. I was told in some cases, it isn't actually a coat pattern per say, it just means they are healthy and have a healthy coat/skin.
He gets dapples in the winter too. i heard it was a sign of a healthy coat and skin too.

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He is not a Smoky Black. He looks to me like a brown and what you are seeing are dapples which can be present in any coat color. A brown horse would have lighter hairs around the flank and muzzle. In order for a horse to be a Smoky Black he would have to have one copy of the creme gene (only certain breeds have this such as APHAs, QH, Morgans,etc...) I don't know what breed your guy is, he is very handsome by the way but I'm sure he's not a smoky black. Smoky black horses can appear black but if you look closely you can see that trademark smoky/burgundy color in their ears, around eyes and muzzle and in manes and tails even all year long even in winter. The rest of the year when they are shed out you can clearly see that smoky/burgundy hue throughout their black coat. As they mature it becomes more and more faint but it still noticible. See how the two in the middle have that smoky color? They are both adult Smoky blacks but you can still see that they are not black horses.

The first photo is of the horses at my farm and is a perfect example to answer your question. The first is a bay, Smoky black (My mare), Smoky Black, and Brown. The brown in the photo gets dapples like yours that look like that white hair roaning thing you were talking about. FYI the 'roaning' you were wondering about could be rabicano. But in your case looks like dapples to me.

The next photos are of my mare she is a registered Smoky Black APHA her Sire is a Bay Tobiano and Her Dam is a Double Dilute Smoky Cream.

The photo of the pregnant one with the wavy tail is her Dam

Isn't it all so interesting? I love color genetics! I still have so much to learn there are so many posibilities!
Pretty photos.

I really wish i knew what his sire looked like. i was told appaloosa but i know nothing about his colour or lineage. his dam is chestnut.

i'll have to update the thread with some new photos of him now he's fully shed out. There's so much white hair now, but again if i look from a distance it's hard to see, he just has clumps of it all over.

Colour genetics is very interesting, i never knew there was so much variety.
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Well, I for one think your guy is a fading black. In the unfaded pictures (or faded) he does not have the tell-tale brown markers (lighter muzzle, flank, etc). You can see the bown/tan on AngieLee's horse's flank. A lot of blacks fade to a shade that can be mistaken for brown. He would not be a blue-black, but similar to my mare's color that has redder undertones which you can only see in really bright sunlight. You can see them in this shot. She is black.



Your guy is borderline, and while I personally think black, others think brown. If you are really curious, you could get him tested for the "complete agouti" test at Pet DNA (the only lab offering a brown test at this point) to know for sure.
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I'm uploading a more up to date picture of him, i took it today just after he'd been brushed. He's now shed out for the summer, he has so many white flecks. I took photos but won't post them because really they're just white hairs, it's mostly interesting to me.

Oh and it'll be his 10th birthday on the 15th so we get to have cake.

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