Need your help!

Since I am stuck in the dark ages of horse colors, I need the help of the color guru's

My daughter started 4-H Quiz Bowl last night & they are working on colors. She brought home some flash cards with different colors on them. And we are already arguing, lol.

Now, with 4-H quiz bowl there are certain references that they must use, so even if they are "off". The kids have to learn them that way to progress. Some of the flash cards I can see being in that grey area of old school vs. current color definitions. But there are a few that are EXTREMELY obviously incorrect. I will get all the resource books they use by Fri and look at how they are defining each color before I talk with the coach (who's new).

But I also wanted your opinions on what the colors are. The pictures are little, so I wasn't able to scan them in individually (the work scanner couldn't see them or something) so there's 2 to a picture. I increased the resolution as much as I could.

A few notes incase certain things don't show up. The "buckskin" & "liver chestnut" do have dorsal strips in the original picture. Ignore the hearts aroung the "buckskin", lol.
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On the bottom I labeled what the pictures where labeled with (first is the top, second is the bottom)

Thanks again guys!!

Oh lordy, getting 4-H current on color genetics is like trying to hang a picture on a cement wall with your forehead.

The "pinto" is tobiano and the tobiano is also pinto.

Black = brown

The liver chestnut, did it have leg barring as well? Kind of comes across as it "might" be a red dun.

The white is a grey.

The grey is a grey.

Love that analogy CCH. Part of the reason my son isn't in the portion dealing with color and what not anymore. I couldn't stand the amount of misinformation.

No leg barring on the "liver chestnut"

Part of the reason I'm questioning those, is this coach. She just works with the junior team. The main coach & I go way back and I know she is waaay more intelligent. I was looking thru some online quiz bowl stuff for other states, and they are actually VERY up to date on genetics & color. So I think it's just the junior coach.

Not here with the group we're in. Made my head want to explode.

They get their information from the main offices though and have to have uniformity throughout so that kids in one group are getting the same information as kids in another group. Drives me crazy because it isn't right. Kids 8-12 can totally handle learning the right names. From 12-18, I would expect that some genetics should be easy.

Equine Science: Basic Knowledge for Horse People...
This is the main reference book we use. I noticed it was on the list for several other states. It should be getting here by Fri

I should join 4H again.. maybe that would help me remember all of these different terms lol