Okay, so smokey black right?

So I had put up pictures of Tungsten a few months back trying to figure out if he is smokey black or fading. A majority of people thought smokey. Now that he is getting his winter coat I wanted to post new pictures. I had already forgotten how light he was!

He is outside 24/7, weather permitting. So what do you think, smokey?

Wow, that's a big difference

Does he have any dun in him? What color is his sire/dam?

Only real way to tell is to test. There is a friesian that lives in the next town over that gets that pale in the summer...and darker in the winter. I've talked to his owner before, she said he just fades badly--outside in the weather or not.

Yes I know the only way to know would be to get him tested. His dam is cremello and his sire black so he could have the genes. I don't care enough to get him tested but am just curious and do not have enough knowledge.

He is smoky black. His dam HAD to pass on a cream gene, since she has two.

Yup..when one parent is a double creme, the offspring will always have a copy. So you don't need to get him tested to know

Maybe I am wrong about saying she is cremello, I am terrible with colors. Because we did not come to that easy of a conclusion last time when I posted pictures. Her picture is below.

Te mare looks to be a buckskin to me, so would only have one copy of the cream gene.

Now it's back to testing if you really want to know if he has cream or not.

Yup! That seems to be the conclusion we reached last time! But, I am only asking. Do you think he looks more smokey or fading? I have never seen a smokey in real life so my experience is lacking.