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    09-22-2013, 03:34 PM
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Paint Horse: Name these markings

This is a 7 year old paint mare named Splash, I bought her when she was 5 right after she had foaled a colt to a tobiano stallion. The colt was your average tobiano, mostly white with a football sized bay area on his stomach. This spot was freckled with white in a pattern like Splash's markings. If her spots came out on the foal anywhere else, it was hidden by the white in his tobiano pattern. From what I was told when I bought her, Splash's parents were a paint with markings like hers (though less of them) and a quarter horse with a baldface and 4 white socks. The paint was not sabino; it had no face or leg markings, only the spots on it's abdomen area.

So what is this pattern called? We know it is heritable, but is it just a strange type of Overo or is it possible to find a stallion with this pattern If I ever bred Splash.

Also, i'll be posting her picture in another thread for help about deciding upon a discipline to pursue, but if you have any comments now, it would be appreciated.
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    09-22-2013, 03:39 PM
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Trained
The horse pictured is Frame and Sabino. And probably Splash, looking at the blaze and how bottom heavy it appears.

Do you have a picture of her tail head?

You never want to breed this horse to another Frame carrier. Read up on OLWS.
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    09-22-2013, 03:48 PM
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I don't have a picture of the tail, but it is solid sorrel. No white or dark hair, just sorrel.

I've thought sabino, but with her short leg markings and the fact that her belly is sorrel, I couldn't be sure.

And I have heard about what to be cautious about with paint breeding. I wouldn't breed her to another paint unless this coloring was something of its own. I was planning on cremello quarter in the hopes of some type of dun coloring, though palomino would be fine.
     
    09-22-2013, 03:54 PM
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Trained
Its not just Paints that carry frame, its many many breeds including quarter horses, appies and thoroughbreds. Which is why its so important to genetically test before breeding. By just looking at a horse, you cannot always tell what patterns they carry.

And Sabino is causing the "roaning" appearance with the white/sorrel. Also the jagged edges along the white.

Also the short socks are caused by frame. It wants to keep white off the legs.Sabino likes to put white on the legs. So its a battle of genetics.
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    09-22-2013, 04:06 PM
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Very interesting, thank you.
     
    09-22-2013, 07:53 PM
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Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Outlawroxy    
I don't have a picture of the tail, but it is solid sorrel. No white or dark hair, just sorrel.

I've thought sabino, but with her short leg markings and the fact that her belly is sorrel, I couldn't be sure.

And I have heard about what to be cautious about with paint breeding. I wouldn't breed her to another paint unless this coloring was something of its own. I was planning on cremello quarter in the hopes of some type of dun coloring, though palomino would be fine.
A chestnut bred to a cremello would produce a palomino, 100% of the time. Breeding to a perlino would give you a chance of a buckskin. To guarantee a buckskin you'd want a perlino who is homozygous for black and agouti. If you want any type of dun (bay dun, red dun, etc.) you'd have to breed to a horse that carries the dun gene (preferably homozygous if you want a guarantee of the dun gene being passed to the foal)
     
    09-22-2013, 10:30 PM
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When Splash was bred before I purchased her, it was to a Chestnut tobiano stallion, but the colt was Bay tobiano. Does that affect anything on her behalf?
     
    09-22-2013, 10:36 PM
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Trained
Do you have a picture of that stallion or the colt? Because breeding a chestnut to a chestnut will give you a chestnut. That combination cannot produce a bay foal. Either the stallion was not chestnut or the foal was not bay.
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    09-23-2013, 02:20 AM
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Green Broke
Pretty mare! I agree that she's frame, sabino, and splash.
     

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