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    02-04-2012, 04:39 PM
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Paint vs Pinto

Ok so we used to breed paints so whenever I see someone call a pinto a paint when it is not a paint I always scream in my head.

What is a Paint?

A paint horse is a breed of horse that can be any combination on thoroughbred and quarter horse bloodlines. Note that not all registered paint horses are pinto either, many can end up solid without a speck of white on them. For a horse to be a paint it must be either be a thoroughbred or a quarter horse that is a pinto, or a horse with at least one registered paint parent. A paint can also have a parent that is a registered quarter horse of thoroughbred and another that is a paint, and still be registered as a paint.

What is a Pinto?

A pinto is a horse that have large patches of white on their body with any other color horses can be. A pinto horse can be any breed of horse because pinto is a color and not a breed with defined genetic background. Yes many paints are also pintos, however not all paints are pinto, and not all pintos are paints.

So it always drives me nuts when I read a description like. "Black and white paint saddlebred for sale." or something of the similar.

So random color lessons with Zada.
     
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    02-04-2012, 04:55 PM
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I am right with you. I was talking to one of my aunts two months ago about the horses she was selling. She had bred some mares years ago and was telling me about their sires. She told me that one of the sires was a pinto that was half paint, half quarter horse. Yeah, that makes him a paint. Then she told me that the sire of her other gelding was a "pintabian", but was half Arab, half paint. Not a pintabian, and corrected her that her gelding out of a pinto grade mare was also not a pintabian like she thought he was. Apparently she had thought that a pinto that had a bit of arabian would be considered a pintabian. In reality, pintabians are almost pure arabs (I think they are over 99% ). So I am annoyed when paints and pintos are used incorrectly and half or quarter arabs are called pintabians.
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    02-04-2012, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Zada2011    
Ok so we used to breed paints so whenever I see someone call a pinto a paint when it is not a paint I always scream in my head.

What is a Paint?

A paint horse is a breed of horse that can be any combination on thoroughbred and quarter horse bloodlines. Note that not all registered paint horses are pinto either, many can end up solid without a speck of white on them. For a horse to be a paint it must be either be a thoroughbred or a quarter horse that is a pinto, or a horse with at least one registered paint parent. A paint can also have a parent that is a registered quarter horse of thoroughbred and another that is a paint, and still be registered as a paint.

What is a Pinto?

A pinto is a horse that have large patches of white on their body with any other color horses can be. A pinto horse can be any breed of horse because pinto is a color and not a breed with defined genetic background. Yes many paints are also pintos, however not all paints are pinto, and not all pintos are paints.

So it always drives me nuts when I read a description like. "Black and white paint saddlebred for sale." or something of the similar.

So random color lessons with Zada.
Well reading that made my head spin hahaha I'm going to have to sit down and read this when I'm not in the middle of doing yard work hahahaha great info tho!
     
    02-04-2012, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Zada2011    
Ok so we used to breed paints so whenever I see someone call a pinto a paint when it is not a paint I always scream in my head.

What is a Paint?

A paint horse is a breed of horse that can be any combination on thoroughbred and quarter horse bloodlines. Note that not all registered paint horses are pinto either, many can end up solid without a speck of white on them. For a horse to be a paint it must be either be a thoroughbred or a quarter horse that is a pinto, or a horse with at least one registered paint parent. A paint can also have a parent that is a registered quarter horse of thoroughbred and another that is a paint, and still be registered as a paint.

What is a Pinto?

A pinto is a horse that have large patches of white on their body with any other color horses can be. A pinto horse can be any breed of horse because pinto is a color and not a breed with defined genetic background. Yes many paints are also pintos, however not all paints are pinto, and not all pintos are paints.

So it always drives me nuts when I read a description like. "Black and white paint saddlebred for sale." or something of the similar.

So random color lessons with Zada.
I'm not sure why you would "scream".

Remember if you would, that APHA is a relatively new organization - perhaps not by your standards, but I was 15 when it was formed, so it was not like it was back in the "olden days". In conjunction with that, Paints, at least as a "breed" are a very new breed, and in the opinion of some, myself included, are actually more of a "coming" breed than an established breed because they still permit outcrossing.

Yes, I think there is a distinction today between a Pinto and a Paint as far as terminology goes, however because the breed has not yet been stabilized, it shouldn't come as a surprise that many people still refer to Paints as Pintos.

While I think it is appropriate for Paint folks to point out the difference to educate people, I also think many of them are a bit thin skinned about the whole thing when it is perfectly reasonable and understandable why some people don't make the distinction or know the difference...
     
    02-04-2012, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Faceman    
I'm not sure why you would "scream".

Remember if you would, that APHA is a relatively new organization - perhaps not by your standards, but I was 15 when it was formed, so it was not like it was back in the "olden days". In conjunction with that, Paints, at least as a "breed" are a very new breed, and in the opinion of some, myself included, are actually more of a "coming" breed than an established breed because they still permit outcrossing.

Yes, I think there is a distinction today between a Pinto and a Paint as far as terminology goes, however because the breed has not yet been stabilized, it shouldn't come as a surprise that many people still refer to Paints as Pintos.

While I think it is appropriate for Paint folks to point out the difference to educate people, I also think many of them are a bit thin skinned about the whole thing when it is perfectly reasonable and understandable why some people don't make the distinction or know the difference...
The problem isn't when a loudly colored paint is called a pinto. Pinto is the color pattern. But when someone has a pinto of some random breeding and they refer to them as paints, it is an incorrect statement. It is though they believe that any pinto is also a paint, like the term is interchangeable and mean the same thing. My mom's pinto mare's sire is a paint and her dam is an arabian, so she is just a pinto which refers only to her color pattern. PtHA has an open registry because it is a registry based on color pattern. APHA is a limited registry, it now requires both parents to be paint or at least one paint parent and the other parent must be quarter horse or thoroughbred. AQHA even allows some thoroughbreds in their books. So while paints can be pinto, any pinto you see isn't necessarily a paint.
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    02-04-2012, 07:17 PM
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I agree, it drives me nuts though really, it shouldn't lol!
What really makes me bonkers is when I run in to a 4-H'er or someone who thinks they really know all about horses, and they try and convince others that the difference between a Paint and a Pinto is in the markings. Sorry guys, that's Tobiano & Overo!
     
    02-04-2012, 07:47 PM
  #7
Trained
I would love to see some pictures
     
    02-04-2012, 08:03 PM
  #8
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I would love to see some pictures
Of what?
     
    02-04-2012, 08:52 PM
  #9
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Pictures? Like this?

Registered Paint, but isn't a pinto
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Registered Pinto, but isn't a paint
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    02-04-2012, 10:09 PM
  #10
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Originally Posted by Faceman    
I'm not sure why you would "scream".

Remember if you would, that APHA is a relatively new organization - perhaps not by your standards, but I was 15 when it was formed, so it was not like it was back in the "olden days". In conjunction with that, Paints, at least as a "breed" are a very new breed, and in the opinion of some, myself included, are actually more of a "coming" breed than an established breed because they still permit outcrossing.

Yes, I think there is a distinction today between a Pinto and a Paint as far as terminology goes, however because the breed has not yet been stabilized, it shouldn't come as a surprise that many people still refer to Paints as Pintos.

While I think it is appropriate for Paint folks to point out the difference to educate people, I also think many of them are a bit thin skinned about the whole thing when it is perfectly reasonable and understandable why some people don't make the distinction or know the difference...
Sunny Draco basically nailed the point I was trying to get across home. There is nothing wrong with calling a paint that is pinto colored a pinto. Pinto is the color pattern and that doesn't bother me at all. It's when someone calls a horse that is not a paint a paint because it has pinto coloration that it irritates me. (Basically you are looking at one of my biggest horse knowledge pet peeves.)

And as for paint horses, the breed's bloodlines are established to only allow the inclusion of quarter horse lines or thoroughbred lines. Which basically means you can register a foal that is QH x Paint, TB x Paint, or register a full bred quarter horse or thoroughbred that ends up with paint pattern markings.

Really it's kinda comparable to saying that a horse that is arabian x quarter horse is a freisian because it's black. It sounds ridiculous doesn't it? That and shouldn't logic dictate that if the color name has been around a lot longer than the breed name that people should be calling their pinto mustang, or any horse really a pinto rather than a recently established breed name?

As I said it bothers me a lot because we used to breed them, and I don't like seeing them mixed up simply because people are too lazy to do a bit of research on things.
     

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