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    10-07-2011, 07:11 AM
  #1
Foal
Palomino Pintaloosa?

I have a little filly, born June 2010, that stumps me.

She's a palomino from what we can tell with unknown white. She is a VERY light palomino which of course hides her white.

She has a blaze and four legs markings.

She has pink skin EVERYWHERE. Eyes, mouth/nose, genitalia, etc. She has white hooves as well. She does however have appy spots and some black spots on her mouth and genitals.

Dam (Silver Smokey Black?):


Sire (Silver Black Appaloosa):


Young:



Winter:



Summer:



My filly's sire, has pinto background in him but has never thrown a pinto foal.

Is my filly's expansive pink skin caused by markings and is her eye related to being a pinto or an appaloosa?

I'm hoping that in next May/June when I clip her that I'll be able to see markings galore. I highly doubt it though.

For those people who don't know anything about color, SHE IS NOT A CREMELLO OR PERLINO. She is a palomino.

Thanks.
     
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    10-07-2011, 07:24 AM
  #2
Trained
Well that really is interesting. She almost looks cremello in the foal pics, more so in the adult pics, but she's got that dark eye. Cremellos ALWAYS have two blue eyes.

But her face white does not cover the dark eye, which has pink skin anyway. If she WAS palomino, the skin away from her markings would be dark.

...dominant white maybe? I don't know a huge amount about it but at the moment it looks like being the most likely possibility, at least to me.

A blue eye can be caused by splashed white or frame. I personally have never seen an appy with one or both blue eyes that did not also carry one of these two patterns, or was not cremello/perlino. However, dominant white also can and does cause blue eyes. I believe they can be blue, brown or amber if a horse is DW? Correct me if I'm wrong.

You're so determined she is pally but she really does not look it to me. Have you had her tested?

EDIT; My mum's horse is a REALLY pale pali, he is literally WHITE in winter and really pale gold in summertime. You can still see his markings really crisply and he has no pink skin anywhere other than under his markings... so IMHO this miniature is NOT palomino.
     
    10-07-2011, 08:02 AM
  #3
Trained
I just wanna say, I hate minis. They are always so over the top with their colour expressions lol.

If she was DW, you wouldn't be able to see her blaze in the foal shots - as far as I am aware DW is not a progressive colour, it is the same from birth on.

Have either parents been verified by testing?
     
    10-07-2011, 08:30 AM
  #4
Trained
Best verification IMO is testing the foal herself... JMO of course. It's what, $25? And then you can know for absolute sure.

EDIT; and of course I've completely forgotten the most basic rule of dominant white... that it is DOMINANT. Therefore if I was right with the DW theory one or both parents would be DW. So clearly I can't possibly be right.

Hmm. But what else would cause pink skin and a dark eye?
     
    10-07-2011, 08:38 AM
  #5
Foal
What about champange?
     
    10-07-2011, 08:40 AM
  #6
Trained
The pink would normally be darker and mottled in a champagne, and they don't usually have dark eyes, but color-wise, yes, maybe a pali champagne would be a similar color? (is it called gold champagne??)

I don't know a lot about champagne other than that the skin is usually a darkish mottled pink and that the eyes are often amber, hazel, or even green.

Edit; on another glance, that fluffy winter pic looks like it might be a little bit mottled, and it is DEFINITELY darker than the foal pics.

I would be very interested to see the results of genetic testing on this horse.
     
    10-07-2011, 08:42 AM
  #7
Foal
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Originally Posted by equinluvr    
What about champange?
Gold Champange; The usual way the Champagne gene affects a red (chestnut/sorrel) based horse is to create a golden body color with a flaxen, or near-white, mane & tail. This horse is usually registered as a Palomino, even though the skin is some shade of pink with freckles, not the normal dark skin of the Palomino
     
    10-07-2011, 08:48 AM
  #8
Trained
^ so explain why she's so pale? She is nearly white all over!

My explanation for THAT would be that there is the possibility she might also have cream, making palomino partially correct. I can't for the life of me remember what pali+champagne is called though.
     
    10-07-2011, 09:17 AM
  #9
Trained
A single champagne and a single cream can mimic a double dilute, and you would get a pale horse like this. However, champagne is a simple dominant, so one of the parents would have to display it to be able to pass it on. Neither of the parents have champagne IMO.
     
    10-07-2011, 12:13 PM
  #10
Foal
I was just making a suggestion that's all.

Chiila is right normally sire or dam would show signs of champange unless it can skip a generation... Would love to see what the test would tell us.

Whatever color she is she's a beauty!
     

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