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    10-08-2011, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Tremor    
Well, you know how people are when they see a whitish horse with a blue eye. They yell double dilute when it isn't possible. The only thing possible genetically is the palomino.

I'm more interested in why she has pink skin EVERYWHERE.
Tremor, Does the dam have Appy in her? If so, she could be a few-spot, with or without a creme gene, in which case the pink skin would be normal. There is also the possibility that she has a maximully expressed blanket with a light palomino base so overall it looks like she is the same color...in that case, most of the skin would be pink, although you would expect to find pigmented skin in the neck area and mid leg area below where the blaket would go but above any underlying white leg markings. I have a two palomino leopards by the way, and one has pink skin all over and the other doesn't...confusing, huh?...
     
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    10-08-2011, 09:32 PM
  #22
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Originally Posted by Tremor    
Well, you know how people are when they see a whitish horse with a blue eye. They yell double dilute when it isn't possible. The only thing possible genetically is the palomino.

I'm more interested in why she has pink skin EVERYWHERE.
Has the dam been tested? She doesn't scream smokey black to me, with the silver too. How do you know she is smokey?
     
    10-08-2011, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Faceman    
Tremor, Does the dam have Appy in her? If so, she could be a few-spot, with or without a creme gene, in which case the pink skin would be normal. There is also the possibility that she has a maximully expressed blanket with a light palomino base so overall it looks like she is the same color...in that case, most of the skin would be pink, although you would expect to find pigmented skin in the neck area and mid leg area below where the blaket would go but above any underlying white leg markings. I have a two palomino leopards by the way, and one has pink skin all over and the other doesn't...confusing, huh?...
I have researched the horses in her dam's lines (as well as sire) and the majority of what I find are pintos, blacks, bays, silver bays, chestnuts, buckskins, etc.

No greys on her dams. Nor appies.

The homozygous appy thing is something that I've pondered but both my mom and I agree that it just isn't possible for her to be a few spot.

She DOES have appy spots and very slight mottling on her lips and eyes. That is the extent of her black pigmentation.

I'm really not a fan of her color to be honest. I don't like mottled skin, pink skin, or blue eyes. Here I am the owner of four appaloosas, and a cremello.

I'd kill for a bay.
     
    10-08-2011, 10:45 PM
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Well if the dam has no Appy in her she can't be a few spot of course, but could still be a large blanket with a light palomino base. Who knows with those little guys - the minis can be a color nightmare/mystery because they have been bred for color so much over the generations...
     
    10-09-2011, 02:52 AM
  #25
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Looks like silver dapple palomino appaloosa from here. And Yes silver does affect cream. It is only red (chestnut) it don't affect. Gorgeous mum the filly got
     
    10-09-2011, 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by dunfold    
Looks like silver dapple palomino appaloosa from here. And Yes silver does affect cream. It is only red (chestnut) it don't affect. Gorgeous mum the filly got
It doesn't affect red, and since palomino is a red horse with a single cream, silver doesn't express.
     
    10-09-2011, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Faceman    
Well if the dam has no Appy in her she can't be a few spot of course, but could still be a large blanket with a light palomino base. Who knows with those little guys - the minis can be a color nightmare/mystery because they have been bred for color so much over the generations...
Which is one of the reasons I've decided NOT to sell her.

She has three things people would want, pinto, appy, and palomino. But she has horrible conformation, and she's SO small. I doubt any backyard breeder would pay attention to the 2 in margin between mare and stallion.

So, lil' Sweetheart is staying with me because she's a very small pinto/appy/palomino filly with teeth that need extra attention. (Had my vet check her teeth)

If she were a colt I would have gelded her last March. Unfortunately my stallion left a mark in his last two years here and broke the filly drought and produced three in two years.

Darned stallion.
     
    10-09-2011, 06:58 PM
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Have either parents been tested?
     
    10-09-2011, 08:17 PM
  #29
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Originally Posted by Chiilaa    
Have either parents been tested?
No, but on the stallion's behalf it isn't needed because of foals and parentage. I've also seen his dam, (a beautiful silver dapple appaloosa mare in a HUGE retirement herd. I'll be visiting her again next spring hopefully.)

The dam was more of an educated guess. She's either a VERY dark palomino (possible) or the silver smokey black. Both are possible with her parents. (Smokey black dam and silver black sire)'

Here's another picture of her dam:


And another in 2007 with her filly by the same stud:
     

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