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  • Can a palimino have a white take and same color mane as body?
  • Palomino weanling mane same colour as body

 
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    04-21-2012, 03:31 PM
  #1
Foal
Palomino Quirks

Okay, forgive the idiot here but I've had a bit of a lightbulb on palominos. Cream is responsible for palomino, right. It's also responsible for perlino, cremello, smoky cream & smoky black (on its own). Everything I know about cream says that it affects hair uniformly depending on the base - red will be lightened before black, and some black can take two cream to have a noticable difference.

Ugh, clumsy explanation, but I'm sure we all know what cream does. But, here's the kicker - if its supposed to affect hair at the same rate, why do palominos have white manes instead of them being the same colour as their body? Both parts are red, and it does affect according to expectations on bay for buckskin - the red gets lightened more than the black.
     
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    04-21-2012, 04:20 PM
  #2
Weanling
Not all Palominos have white manes and golden bodies. Palominos come in all shades, and the mane does not necessarily match the body. This is because the base color, chestnut, can have either manes that are the same shade as the body, manes that are a bit darker, or manes that are flaxen. How the creme gene appears depends on what lies underneath.
     
    04-21-2012, 05:24 PM
  #3
Banned
I won't swear to this, but this is my understanding...


All horse have a flaxen gene, which is believed to be recessive, so it is not always expressed as there is often only one copy. Flaxen is actually a dilute gene that only modifies red - not black genes. When it comes to manes and tails, a palomino is a double-dilute having both flaxen and cream, so the tail is white - or more accurately cream.

Feel free to correct me if I don't have that quite right...
     
    04-21-2012, 05:25 PM
  #4
Foal
I know they're not all bright white and gold, but palomino is defined as having a white/pale mane and gold coat. If it was just because of flaxen, then every single palomino would have flaxen, which isn't exactly possible.
     
    04-21-2012, 05:35 PM
  #5
Banned
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Originally Posted by noddy    
I know they're not all bright white and gold, but palomino is defined as having a white/pale mane and gold coat. If it was just because of flaxen, then every single palomino would have flaxen, which isn't exactly possible.
I am unable to interpret that statement...can you restate what you are saying? Every single horse has a flaxen gene...
     
    04-21-2012, 05:54 PM
  #6
Yearling
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Originally Posted by noddy    
Okay, forgive the idiot here but I've had a bit of a lightbulb on palominos. Cream is responsible for palomino, right. It's also responsible for perlino, cremello, smoky cream & smoky black (on its own). Everything I know about cream says that it affects hair uniformly depending on the base - red will be lightened before black, and some black can take two cream to have a noticable difference.

Ugh, clumsy explanation, but I'm sure we all know what cream does. But, here's the kicker - if its supposed to affect hair at the same rate, why do palominos have white manes instead of them being the same colour as their body? Both parts are red, and it does affect according to expectations on bay for buckskin - the red gets lightened more than the black.
I have not read anything that said the creme gene affects hair uniformly. I've read it changes the body hair to one shade and the mane and tail hair is affected differently. Example; red + creme lightens the body to gold, and the mane and tail to white.

Can you post the reference that said it affects all the hair (body and mane and tail) uniformly please?
     

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