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    11-24-2010, 06:11 PM
  #21
Showing
Yes, a chocolate palomino is one that has a very heavy sooty factor, similar to the first horse that I posted in post #15. Here are a couple more examples of chocolate palominos.


     
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    11-24-2010, 09:58 PM
  #22
Green Broke
As a note, most typically when people say "chocolate palomino" they are incorrectly referring to black silver/silver dapple. This is an example of a black silver which is as far from a palomino as you can get - a palomino is a chestnut with a cream gene, a black silver is a black with a silver gene (duh, LOL).





And just for fun, here's a horse that confuses EVERYBODY! It is extremely rare, to EVER see a flaxen chestnut this extreme. I don't think I've found an example yet that can compare to him.

This is Fire An Ice, a registered Arabian stallion who is, YES, flaxen chestnut despite the stupidity of the Palomino Registry for accepting him!



This picture MUCH better shows that he is still clearly chestnut - something his owners seem FINALLY willing to admit after years of trying to convince people he's a palomino!




     
    11-25-2010, 12:03 AM
  #23
Trained
He is a gorgeous example of it MM. His owners, however, well...

Palomino can only come from a cream parent. Cream can't be carried, it has to be displayed. Arabians don't have cream. *sigh* People make me mad sometimes.
     
    11-25-2010, 01:49 PM
  #24
Foal
Thanks guys some beautiful horse <3
     
    11-25-2010, 02:30 PM
  #25
Green Broke
Quote:
Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj    
As a note, most typically when people say "chocolate palomino" they are incorrectly referring to black silver/silver dapple. This is an example of a black silver which is as far from a palomino as you can get - a palomino is a chestnut with a cream gene, a black silver is a black with a silver gene (duh, LOL).





And just for fun, here's a horse that confuses EVERYBODY! It is extremely rare, to EVER see a flaxen chestnut this extreme. I don't think I've found an example yet that can compare to him.

This is Fire An Ice, a registered Arabian stallion who is, YES, flaxen chestnut despite the stupidity of the Palomino Registry for accepting him!



This picture MUCH better shows that he is still clearly chestnut - something his owners seem FINALLY willing to admit after years of trying to convince people he's a palomino!





When I was young we used to ride a horse that looked exactly like that. He was Arabian too, beautiful flaxen chestnut. Ahhhh
     
    11-25-2010, 11:52 PM
  #26
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Chiilaa    
He is a gorgeous example of it MM. His owners, however, well...

Palomino can only come from a cream parent. Cream can't be carried, it has to be displayed. Arabians don't have cream. *sigh* People make me mad sometimes.
I am very much of the opinion they had that first photo I posted doctored. In the second one, you can see the tiny replica photo and it's funny how he actually looks chestnut in that one, with none of the brilliant golden shine you see in that first one. That photo is the ONLY one that exists of him looking even remotely palomino - every other photo, he's blatantly chestnut to the trained eye.
     
    11-26-2010, 01:19 PM
  #27
Trained
Oh I agree MM the picture was doctored. You can see even in the background that the colors are off so to speak. Which is really, really sad imo that they felt the need to do that!


I don't have anything other to add to this thread. Everyone pretty much covered it! :p

Oh and on the Black silvers, they are most often referred to as chocolates in the Rocky Mountain Horses.
     
    11-28-2010, 06:46 AM
  #28
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Originally Posted by Chiilaa    
He is a gorgeous example of it MM. His owners, however, well...

Palomino can only come from a cream parent. Cream can't be carried, it has to be displayed. Arabians don't have cream. *sigh* People make me mad sometimes.
It doesn't necessarily always show on blacks though.
     
    11-28-2010, 08:02 AM
  #29
Trained
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Originally Posted by CheyAut    
It doesn't necessarily always show on blacks though.
This is true. And some buckies can look like bays. And lots of people (even very experienced breeders) don't recognise smokey black as a seperate colour, but instead see it as dark brown or even sometimes as dark liver chestnut or a fading black.

All this suggests to me, if there is a history of possible cream - test test test!
     
    11-28-2010, 10:05 AM
  #30
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by CharliGirl    
His roaning is much easier to see in person. He is nowhere near as "roany" as his father, Skip N Easy, though!
Both of those horses are Sabino Roan, not "true" roan or traditional roan. You can see the Sabino gene in their socks and blazes. Sabino isn't always accompanied by roaning, but it is in these two guys .
     

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