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  • How does pangare gene work ?
  • Can a pangare gene be recessive?

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    11-13-2012, 08:13 PM
  #11
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Chiilaa    
Jet's sire is brown based buckskin.

As for Jet, it is hard to tell if he is brown or bay, but he is definitely pangare too.
How does pangare work Chiilaa? I'm not sure on the wording but is it a recessive gene? Or is it dominant such as grey and dun? Can it show up on any color or only on Bay or brown?
     
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    11-13-2012, 08:22 PM
  #12
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Originally Posted by Lexiie    
Peppy, do you think Jet will do the same then?
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Not sure if he will stay that dull golden bay color or go darker. I think the pangare will keep him light like he is.
     
    11-13-2012, 08:30 PM
  #13
Trained
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Originally Posted by Bridgertrot    
How does pangare work Chiilaa? I'm not sure on the wording but is it a recessive gene? Or is it dominant such as grey and dun? Can it show up on any color or only on Bay or brown?
Pangare is not really well understood at this time, just like flaxen. Sometimes it seems to inherit like a recessive, sometimes like a dominant gene. It may be that it is polygenetic - controlled by several genes rather than just one.

I have seen it on many colours, but never on black. Most Fjords have pangare, and a lot of Haflingers too. Exmoor ponies require it to be registered. As you can see, it is fairly common in breeds of ponies from Europe. However, it does occur in other breeds too - I have seen an Arabian with extensive pangare.

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    11-13-2012, 08:35 PM
  #14
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Peppy Barrel Racing    
Thanks guys! I was taught brown wasn't a color as well but now they have found it genetically. Bays are Ag and browns are At. Think I remembered that right.....I hope.
Bay is just A (no g) and brown is At, yes.

I'm almost leaning towards him being bay with pangare. His winter coat doesn't look too much darker than his summer coat. Browns often tend to have a dramatic coat color difference, as displayed by my Reno (haven't tested him yet, but we're all almost certain that he's brown here - he only lightens up around his muzzle though, not his other softy parts). Yes that's the same horse in both pictures...that driveway makes him look so much taller than he is, and he did lose weight that winter.

Winter '11


Summer '12
     
    11-13-2012, 08:35 PM
  #15
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So pangare doesn't seem to be as common in quarter horses then. Thanks for the pangare info chiilaa.
     
    11-13-2012, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Reno Bay    
Bay is just A (no g) and brown is At, yes.

I'm almost leaning towards him being bay with pangare. His winter coat doesn't look too much darker than his summer coat. Browns often tend to have a dramatic coat color difference, as displayed by my Reno (haven't tested him yet, but we're all almost certain that he's brown here - he only lightens up around his muzzle though, not his other softy parts). Yes that's the same horse in both pictures...that driveway makes him look so much taller than he is, and he did lose weight that winter.

Winter '11


Summer '12
Thank you for correcting me must of thought Ag for agouti haha. Beautiful horse I think you are right Jet is Bay with pangare. I bet yours will be positive for brown. He certainly is lovely.
     
    11-13-2012, 08:42 PM
  #17
Trained
Reno while it is true that most browns have a dramatic change from season to season, not all do. Kayella's horse Bubba is a good example of this.

Bay horse in winter...
     

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