Pinto patterns on the face

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    07-16-2012, 11:18 AM
Pinto patterns on the face

Hey everyone, I've noticed a few members on here are very good at describing how certian patterns influence the star/blaze/stripe/snip on a horse's face. Can we get a discussion going so I will know what to look for? For example, what prevents it from going over the eye, what makes it go under the chin, what prevents it from getting too tall, etc. Lets post some pictures too!
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    07-16-2012, 11:24 AM
Frame tends to make top-heavy facial markings. It wants to spread out and make a bald face, much like it is on this horse. It will avoid the ears if possible though. Again, this is just demonstrating the whole 'frame' nature that it was named after - it wants to leave white on the nose and the ears, thus making the face white framed with colour.

Splash tends to be bottom heavy. It often gives blazes an 'apron' appearance, where they noticeably flare toward the nose. Splash also tends to 'slip' and make face white uneven on the face - more to the left or right, not centered. Again, splash will try to avoid the ears, but will try to cover the eyes if it can.

Sabino tends to be the 'messy' white. It likes to give the horse a chin or lower lip spot at least. Its edges tend to be less neatly defined, and often seem to roan or bleed out to the colour parts. Sabino seems to also like to keep white off the eyes, and like the other two, will also try to avoid the ears.

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    07-16-2012, 11:25 AM
Alright, I start. This is the Solid Paint Bred APHA I am leasing right now. His name is Jack. I am really curious about what pattern he carries even though even though there aren't a lot of clues.... What do you see and why? He has two short socks and two taller stockings, but really I am more interested in the face aspect of it.
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    07-16-2012, 11:26 AM
Do you have any pictures?
    07-16-2012, 11:29 AM
Yes, sorry! You must have posted that right as I was editing mine post to include a photo.
    07-16-2012, 11:29 AM
I want to say sabino - the white is very even top and bottom. There could also be splash there causing the "apron" effect on one side there, and the white seems to slide a little to one side. I don't suspect frame in his case, although it could well be there, but being a gelding, it's not anything to worry about
    07-16-2012, 11:42 AM
Thanks for your reply! We should get some more people to post pictures of blazes for you to take a stab it.

So I know tobiano wants to make a solid face, correct? Does that mean if they generally look tobiano but have white on their face, there must be someone else going on? I know that most horses display more than one pattern.

Also, do all horses with white carry some form of pinto gene?
    07-16-2012, 11:47 AM
Yes, any sort of white has to be caused by a pattern gene of some description (except white caused by scarring of the skin, either through injury or fungus etc.). Off the top of my head there are the following white patterns: Tobiano, sabino, splash, frame, rabicano, dominant white (11 different varieties, maybe 12, so far), classic roan, appaloosa (5 different ways) and grey. Then you can also have Birdcatcher spots, which may be genetic but it is difficult to determine as yet.

If a tobiano has face white, yes, there has to be another white patterning gene present. The three that cause face white are splash, sabino and frame.
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    07-16-2012, 12:04 PM
Apart from maybe a miniscule star, tobaino will not have face white, unless there is some other gene(s) at play. I am pretty sure that goes for appy as well.

As with stars, it depends on size and placement to determine what particular gene is causing it.

These markings are a sign of domestication, wild animals don't have markings (socks, white toes, ect.) like domestic dogs, cats and horses do (and others).

Completely off topic;
Has anyone ever seen the documentary Dogs Decoded? I really recommend it. It talks about the domestication project of wild captured foxes in Russia, and over 50 generations, they are submissive, like dogs, their noses/snouts are getting shorter, and they are getting white markings on their feet, tails ect. It's really cool.
    07-16-2012, 02:50 PM
Here is my loud frame overo mare, sporting a medicine hat, and bald face. I have yet to get her tested because a few people think she may be splash or sabino too. I don't know much of her history or alot on breeding for colors, but I thought the pic would help
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