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        08-05-2014, 01:43 PM
    Please explain paint colors

    I realize I'm probably the only person on the planet that doesn't know this, but I've never really cared before. A horses color doesn't make him good or bad to me, so their color is what it is. However now, I have a paint. He's a really nice horse, but I find myself curious what actual color he is. Brown? Sorrel? And forgive my ignorance, but somebody please explain to me in a way I will understand and remember, the difference between overo and tobiano? I can get a better pic if needed. Thanks.
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        08-05-2014, 01:53 PM
    Green Broke
    Dont see any pic
        08-05-2014, 01:56 PM
    Ugh! What happened? I'll try again.
        08-05-2014, 01:58 PM
    Ok. That time it came through for me, but took a really long time. What am I doing wrong?
        08-05-2014, 02:08 PM
    Green Broke
    A closer shot would be nice .. but he looks to either be sorrel or bay . But the color gurus will give an answer. I say bay on his body color because his tail color.. is it black ?
    As for the Tobiano.. etc.. I cannot help at all..
        08-05-2014, 02:35 PM
    Not a great pic to tell from.

    He's either brown or bay. I'm leaning more toward brown, as I can see some lightening on his muzzle.

    Bay is black with bay agouti. Agouti is a modifier that restrictions the expression of black to the hard points of the horse (i.e.-the mane, tail, legs, muzzle and ears). Brown is a modified version of agouti. It acts much the same way as bay, but restricts the black more, adding cinnamon points to the soft points of the horse (i.e.the flank, muzzle and point of the buttocks). Browns will also vary in color from season to season.

    As for patterns, I'd say definitely tobiano. Beyond that, the pic isn't good enough to tell. Maybe splash.
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        08-05-2014, 02:44 PM
    The easiest way to remember the difference in the patterns:

    Tobiano is white based with the "color" over it.

    Overo is color based with the white over it.

    Of course, that is extremely simplified, and gets quite muddled on some horses.....but that is how I learned it.

    Overos "usually" do not have white over their back, and Tobianos "usually" have one or more white socks or stockings.
        08-05-2014, 02:48 PM
    You can buy a book on the APHA website that will give you all the information you are looking for. Also you can use your membership to download a rule book which has some information in it
        08-05-2014, 02:53 PM
    Originally Posted by BugZapper89    
    You can buy a book on the APHA website that will give you all the information you are looking for. Also you can use your membership to download a rule book which has some information in it
    If the OP is looking for more specific pattern description than just tobiano, overo (which is a wildly general term) and tovero (which is a horribly outdated term meaning "tobiano and some other white pattern that we can't be bothered to differentiate"), then APHA is not the place to go. Registries are notoriously behind on the times when it comes to genetics.
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        08-05-2014, 02:57 PM
    The details of genetics aside, you can see the APHA coat colors at

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