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    08-23-2012, 04:00 PM
  #1
Trained
PRE Color Question

I recently started riding a PRE (Pura Raza Espanola) horse and have some questions about his color.

He is not grey, and he will not ever grey out. He is registered as "Castaņo" which roughly translates to Brown, Auburn or Chestnut.
He has a black mane and tail that are not faded despite being outside 24/7, he has black points (legs, muzzle, etc..) and his body is almost golden at some spots, but he is mostly a brown color where he isn't black or gold. So you, like me, are thinking that he's bay. The kicker is that he has a dorsal stripe down his back, wth?
His dam is far darker than him, very dark brown or bay, I am unsure if she also has the dorsal stripe. His sire was white grey (like most of them lol), no baby pictures.

Would the presence of the dorsal stripe make him not bay? I have noticed that a lot of the non-grey PREs have a dorsal stripe.. What do you think is it a breed thing, or is he some weird color?
I can get some pictures today if my description is not good enough.
     
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    08-23-2012, 04:15 PM
  #2
Showing
Are you sure it's a dorsal, or could it be countershading? Here's a picture of a bay with countershading.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Co...ing_stripe.jpg
     
    08-23-2012, 04:17 PM
  #3
Yearling
Pictures would definitely help. Especially summer AND winter pics. =)
     
    08-23-2012, 04:36 PM
  #4
Trained
I'm thinking it could be countershading, except the fact that it's over 1" wide by the time it's at the tail, and is quite noticeable....

TA - unfortunately the horse was just purchased by the owner so all I'll be able to get are summer coat pics, until winter that is :P
     
    08-23-2012, 04:41 PM
  #5
Trained
Pictures would greatly help. A lot of dorsal stripes are actually countershading. I'm also terrible at remembering what colors do not exist in PREs because they don't come up often in questions here, so I'm off to do a bit of research.
     
    08-23-2012, 04:44 PM
  #6
Trained
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Originally Posted by Poseidon    
Pictures would greatly help. A lot of dorsal stripes are actually countershading. I'm also terrible at remembering what colors do not exist in PREs because they don't come up often in questions here, so I'm off to do a bit of research.
Greys, Bays, Blacks and they've just added Chestnuts to the PRE registry. I'm fairly sure dilutes are allowed as well, but not positive.
     
    08-23-2012, 04:48 PM
  #7
Trained
Sire is grey. Any idea what color he was before he greyed out?

Pictures?
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    08-23-2012, 04:50 PM
  #8
Trained
I've found all solid colors are acceptable within the breed.

I'm just not concrete on whether dun exists within the breed.. Googling is iffy. I've found a couple pictures of foals with dun markings, but that's not uncommon as just foal camouflage and sheds out. *continues googling*

ETA: from what I've found dun does exist in Lusitanos, but is extremely rare. I'm still trying to find something on Andalusians because the people who were talking about Lusitanos didn't know about Andalusians either. If I remember right, champagne exists in Andalusians. Maybe pearl too, but both are probably irrelevant to this particular query.
     
    08-23-2012, 05:01 PM
  #9
Green Broke
I'd love to see pictures

Cream dilutes are definitely recognized by IALHA for Lusitanos, and I did get to see a beautiful double pearl Lusitano once (not sure what he got registered as, though!) Not sure if they'd have different rules for PRE Andalusians. I very rarely see any PRE Andalusians that are anything other than grey or bay.

Do you know if the horse you're riding is registered IALHA, ANCCE, or PRE Mundial?
     
    08-23-2012, 05:01 PM
  #10
Yearling
This website, Andalusian Horse Colours , says they can also include cream colors, but I can't find where they cite a source for that. There are some photos near the bottom of a registered PRE stallion who appears to be champagne as well.

It sounds like he might be buckskin, from your description, with countershading? Not sure, it's definitely hard to speculate without a photo. ;)
     

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