Reddish sabino stallion??

This is my 4 year old stallion by my 12 year old Bay stallion. He's definitely red but, he was born a light orange, with a star,stripe, snip which is almost completely roaned over his whole face as he's gotten older he's developed roaning throughout and is slightly darker. His Dam is a Red sabino or rubicano, it's hard to tell. Sire is Bay, with a golden hue. Just wanted an opinion on his color and if he's more sabino or rubicano.

DAM: you can kinda see the roaning over her back/hips, and in her face. She had a face marking and it's obviously roaned away.



SIRE:


Attachments, one more each of dam and sire, and then Mac the Stallion as a foal and now.

I know that minis are known for supression of white, so I am not sure if my observations are valid since they are based on my experience with big horses, but I see little to no evidence of sabino going on with ANY of these guys/girls.....

I don't see any white hairs in the tail, making the coon tail that means rabicano...

I have a mare that is 100% solid except for some roaning, so sabino roaning can happen without white markings. That's what I'm thinking is going on.

Thanks, in the Butt picture of the foal where it looks like weird highlights is ALL white hair and on the one with the mare on the stump, that funky patch on her hip is white hair. Both of them have white mixed in all the way up to their faces. Most apparent on her roany face, that used to be a white marking :P