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    12-27-2012, 02:50 AM
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Roan or Sabino?

The ad says this horse is a roan... But I noticed the 'roaning' is centered o the barrel, doesn't touch the shoulders or legs, and barely hits the rump... I also noticed there's none of the typical darkening of the head or legs that normally comes with roans... So I'm guessing he's actually sabino... What do you think?????
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    12-27-2012, 03:06 AM
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Green Broke
I would guess more of an appy than a quarter horse. Or a paint/pinto . Not sure of the sabino vs roan .
     
    12-27-2012, 03:47 AM
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Not roan... yes you spotted the sabino but it's not the "roaning" that tells me sabino, it's the blaze and the stockings. Jaggedy stockings are very much a sabino trait [I have two horses with jaggedy stockings, one has a belly splash as well and has to be sabino only, the other shows a few traits that might indicate possible frame], as is symmetrical centralized face white.

The "roaning" is actually rabicano. If you look at the one photo that's a decent shot of his tail, you can see he has quite a lot of white hairs in his tail too? That's a "coon" or "skunk" tail, a rabicano trait, as is the "roaning" which is restricted to his flanks and barrel. If he has a few random white hairs elsewhere that might be something to do with the sabino, or it might just be "red horse flecking" - which many many chestnuts have.
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    12-27-2012, 03:51 AM
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Trained
Could be sabino based on the white markings, but like blue eyed pony said, the roaning is caused by rabicano, hence why it's centered to the barrel.
     
    12-27-2012, 03:59 AM
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Ohh okay. Thank you, very interesting! So wait.. We had a sorrel QH with jaggety stockings and a jaggety sock, so now I wonder if he had anything else going on, like minimal sabino...
     
    12-27-2012, 04:16 AM
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Trained
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Originally Posted by Nokotaheaven    
We had a sorrel QH with jaggety stockings and a jaggety sock, so now I wonder if he had anything else going on, like minimal sabino...
Most certainly. Any white that is not from scarring is caused by a specific gene, be it roan, pinto [of the various types], appaloosa, rabicano, or even stages of grey. A Gulastra Plume [white tail, particularly on a bay or black] is thought to be caused by sabino, though greys can appear to have the Plume at certain stages of greying.

Tobiano can be as minimal as a white coronet [there is a TO/TO (homozygous) Mini with just two small socks on the hind legs], frame as minimal as no signs at all [there is a Mini out there that is solid black except for two blue eyes, tested positive for frame, and several horses with "normal" white also tested positive]. Completely solid horses have had loud splashed white foals. The genes can hide!
     
    12-27-2012, 04:24 AM
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    12-27-2012, 04:28 AM
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Trained
He's saving, IMO. Mostly based on the way the hind right sock comes to a point at the top. That is characteristic of sabino.
     
    12-27-2012, 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Poseidon    
He's saving, IMO. Mostly based on the way the hind right sock comes to a point at the top. That is characteristic of sabino.
Okay. Also if you notice on the left hind he has a chestnut spot on his stocking.. And I tried to upload a pic better showing his right front, but comp acted up.. It does a steep angle upwards at the back and also goes into a point
     
    12-27-2012, 04:49 AM
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Here.. Look at that right front...
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