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post #1 of 22 Old 07-13-2011, 02:17 PM Thread Starter
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roan vs grey?

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I bought a mare/foal from this breeder. This is the stallion she was bred to. He is reg as a blue roan, but to me he looks like he is graying? Please no negative critiques, he is not mine, just the sire of my stud colt.

The mare is a bay roan and the foal was advertised as red roan, but he has shedded off chestnut. My question is if he truly is red roan, shouldn't he already have shedded off roan? He is almost 4 months. If his sire is truly a gray, could he possible be gray as well, and what would I look for? I am absolutely clueless as to color and genetics. These are old pics, I will take new pics of him if more are needed.
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post #2 of 22 Old 07-13-2011, 02:29 PM
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Yep, that stud is definitely gray. Some roan horses really don't have much roan hair so your foal could be roan, just with a sprinkling of white instead of a full coat of it. Depending on the sire's genetics, the foal has either a 50% chance or a 100% chance of being gray. I am not certain about what to look for on a gray foal because I've never had one. There are others here that can give you a better idea of the indicators of a gray foal.

Either way, that's a nice looking mare and a cute foal.

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Thanks smrobs! No matter the color...I love em both.

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That's a common trick of unscrupulous, dishonest breeders...pass of their "roany-looking" gray colts as real roans. I knew a breeder who had a blue roan stud and nothing but gray broodmares. Nearly every colt looked roan as a yearling, and was registered as such, but surprise! At least half ended up gray/white.

My computer monitor is acting up right now, so I'm having trouble seeing the colt's color accurately. I'm going to go ahead and throw out gray as a guess, but I could very well be far off.
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I don't think the breeder was being dishonest with me. I saw the stud. She told me that everyone they talked to told them something different....he is blue roan, no he isn't he's grey:wink..I think they were confused as well and he was probably changing colors on them. I just looked at allbreedpedigree and he is now listed as grey. He had one grey parent and one roan parent. The mare had a bay roan and bay parent.
I had a great experience with this breeder, and didn't want any negative reviews on them.

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I don't think the breeder was being dishonest with me. I saw the stud. She told me that everyone they talked to told them something different....he is blue roan, no he isn't he's grey:wink..I think they were confused as well and he was probably changing colors on them. I just looked at allbreedpedigree and he is now listed as grey. He had one grey parent and one roan parent. The mare had a bay roan and bay parent.
I had a great experience with this breeder, and didn't want any negative reviews on them.
You may not want any negative reviews, and your breeder may be perfectly honest, but as a former breeder myself, a breeder should know the colors, as well as everything else about his/her production, and not have to rely on the guesses of others. If he/she is uncertain they should have the foal tested before advertising it as a color it may not be - particularly when grey is concerned as many people like roans and not greys (and vice versa)...not criticizing your breeder, just stating what a good breeder should do...
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Yes, a breeder should be knowledgeable about the colors, but in their defense, I have seen a few grays that bore a striking resemblance to a blue roan. We had one in for training for a while that I would have sworn was blue roan had I not known his breeding and known that he was gray in advance. He didn't start showing any gray on his face/head until he was almost 4. His head, legs, mane, and tail were all jet black with a roany looking body.

Because you said the stud has one gray and one non-gray parent, then he is heterozygous for gray. That means that your colt has a 50% chance of going gray.

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I agree they should have known when he started changing...but like smrobs said he looked blue roan for so long before he changed.
So a 50% chance of being a gray? So is it also a 50% chance of being red roan? What are the chances that he would stay chestnut? Like I said earlier, I really like this foal regardless of color, but would like to have an educated guess at what he will turn out to be. Thanks!

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And here's another ? Since the stud was around 4 or so when he started graying, is that around the age that mine would as well if he were to gray?
This is confusing to me!

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The funny thing about the gray gene is that it effects every horse differently, even when they are related. Some horses gray out quickly and are almost white by the time they are 6 or 7, other horses gray out slowly with no gray showing until they are 2+ and they retain a darker/dappled gray color into their late teens or twenties.

According to the color calculator, these are your options. I entered the genetics as best I could with the information at hand. I did put that they stud was a gray with a blue roan base, I hope that's correct. If he wasn't a blue roan before he grayed, then it would change the colors and percentages. Do you know what color his roan parent was?

Gray (Blue Roan) 14.06% -
Gray (Bay Roan) 14.06% -
Blue Roan 14.06% -
Bay Roan 14.06% -
Gray (Chestnut Roan) 9.38% -
Chestnut Roan 9.38% -
Gray (Black) 4.69% -
Gray (Bay) 4.69% -
Black 4.69% -
Bay4.69% -
Gray (Chestnut) 3.13% -
Chestnut 3.13% -

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