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This is a discussion on satin gene discussion again.... within the Horse Colors and Genetics forums, part of the Horse Breeds, Breeding, and Genetics category
  • Gene that causes horses to have metallic shine
  • Ahkel teke horse

View Poll Results: Do you think there a gene (satin or otherwise) that causes a metallic sheen on horses
Yes 16 32.65%
No 13 26.53%
Maybe/Not sure (I'm waiting on more research to be done) 20 40.82%
Voters: 49. You may not vote on this poll

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    09-16-2011, 03:53 AM
  #21
Green Broke
There's a big difference between a horse who shines particularly brightly and the metallic shine the "satin" gene brings in to play. The only horse I have seen posted in this thread that has that metallic shine is the Akhal Teke that was linked.

As far as I am aware satin is only present in Akhal Tekes.
     
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    09-16-2011, 04:13 AM
  #22
Foal
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Originally Posted by HowClever    
There's a big difference between a horse who shines particularly brightly and the metallic shine the "satin" gene brings in to play. The only horse I have seen posted in this thread that has that metallic shine is the Akhal Teke that was linked.

As far as I am aware satin is only present in Akhal Tekes.
Yes, well. As far as we were aware, there was also no silver gene in Quarter Horses, nor champagne gene, nor pearl gene ... until there was.
Would it have been helpful for us to stop discussing, stop sharing observations, and stop searching for theses genes because so many people dismissed what observant breeders said they were seeing? I doubt it.
I'm glad to be one of those breeders who is not afraid to consider new possibilities, who records observations, and who listens to other people's observations with a view toward piecing together bits of clues and information about possible causes for things we observe. I, for one, am very grateful for people who share their observations and ideas here.
     
    09-16-2011, 04:15 AM
  #23
Green Broke
If I had seen another breed of horse who looked like it could legitimately be carrying the gene I would have no problems saying it was present in other breeds.

I am yet to see a photo of anything other than an Akhal Teke that even comes close to looking like the "satin" gene.
     
    09-16-2011, 04:35 AM
  #24
Foal
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Originally Posted by HowClever    
If I had seen another breed of horse who looked like it could legitimately be carrying the gene I would have no problems saying it was present in other breeds.

I am yet to see a photo of anything other than an Akhal Teke that even comes close to looking like the "satin" gene.
Okay, fair enough. Consider though, that the Silver gene is very loud on some horses, and very subtle on others. Also, notice that the sheen is not as pronounced on rabbits as it is on Akhal Teke - and it is PROVEN in rabbits, although not in the Akhal Teke. Consider that while satin is recessive in rabbits, what we see in horses may not be the same gene entirely, but a similar, incomplete dominant, which would have double the effect when homozygous. Consider that in a breed like the Akhal Teke, where the sheen is endemic, there is likely to be a preponderance of homozygosity ... you can't just rule out every horse that isn't exactly like the Akhal Teke on conjecture. Science demands that ALL the evidence be considered. Not dismissed out of hand. I may not have been able to photograph it adequately - but I am stating, here, that I have a horse that I have seen shining every bit like that Akhal Teke - to the point where traffic was stopping to marvel at it. And that first horse up at the top, with the red glow is definitely not to be dismissed either.
What you do with my observation is entirely up to you.
Thank goodness when people said, "oh, that horse's mane only looks sunbleached to me" we continued, nonetheless to map for silver.
     
    09-16-2011, 08:13 AM
  #25
Trained
Regardless of whether it does or does not exist, research to determine such a gene probably will not happen for years. So when that happens, you can come back and sit on your high horse and pull the "I told you so" card.
     
    09-16-2011, 08:45 AM
  #26
Foal
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Originally Posted by Poseidon    
Regardless of whether it does or does not exist, research to determine such a gene probably will not happen for years. So when that happens, you can come back and sit on your high horse and pull the "I told you so" card.
Research is trying to happen right here, right now. But people need to free to share ideas, and speculate, knowing their contributions would be received with at least some consideration. Before labs can search for something under the microscope, breeders and owners must bring it to light, in all its possible aspects and degrees, so it can be identified. This is the natural first step in such research. Can you imagine what they must have said, when that first guy went to Washington and said, "I think I can put a man on the moon" ??
Personally, I don't care a fig about being 'right' - there isn't enough information yet known for anyone to be 'right' or 'wrong' ... I just want to encourage people to share their observations, so I can learn from their breedings and their ideas. It means I can learn from hundreds of breedings, instead of just mine. I just don't think we should rule anything out of the equation before there's even a test for it.
     
    09-16-2011, 09:11 AM
  #27
Started
Just a question, We have 4 yo gelding that looks like he's got glitter on his coat that you can wipe off, but you can't. Would ya'll consider that shiny? He has very fine hair and is a sorrel. I do not have any good pics of him to share at this point.
     
    09-16-2011, 09:14 AM
  #28
Foal
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Originally Posted by kctop72    
Just a question, We have 4 yo gelding that looks like he's got glitter on his coat that you can wipe off, but you can't. Would ya'll consider that shiny? He has very fine hair and is a sorrel. I do not have any good pics of him to share at this point.
Sounds interesting! What color is the glitter?
     
    09-16-2011, 09:34 AM
  #29
Started
It's gold with a red tint. If that makes sense?
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    09-16-2011, 09:40 AM
  #30
Trained
The horses in question, other than the Ahkel Teke, all look to have the pearl gene and not satin in my opinion. There is a big difference between the metallic glow of the ahkel teke and the horses pictured here. Also it is very easy to get pictures that make a horse appear to be "shinier" or "glowing" when they do not. It all comes down to light play. In low lights Ahkel Tekes still have that glow. I am betting that the horses pictured so far do not in low light conditions...
     

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