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satin gene discussion again....

This is a discussion on satin gene discussion again.... within the Horse Colors and Genetics forums, part of the Horse Breeds, Breeding, and Genetics category

    View Poll Results: Do you think there a gene (satin or otherwise) that causes a metallic sheen on horses
    Yes 16 32.65%
    No 13 26.53%
    Maybe/Not sure (I'm waiting on more research to be done) 20 40.82%
    Voters: 49. You may not vote on this poll

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        09-16-2011, 09:42 AM
      #31
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by kctop72    
    It's gold with a red tint. If that makes sense?
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    Well, based on your description, I couldn't rule out some metallic thing going on - of course pictures would be very helpful for any meaningful discussion ... I have seen a fair amount of this iridescent metallic glow on mostly reds and yellow horses - and some bays - so I don't think it's 'extremely rare' as such ... just that we've taken it for granted as merely "shine" for a long time, and have not identified it as a mappable, and consistently produceable phenomena. It's definitely different from the silver shine of a dazzlingly clean horse, though. Get some pics if you can!!
         
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        09-16-2011, 09:46 AM
      #32
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    Originally Posted by NdAppy    
    The horses in question, other than the Ahkel Teke, all look to have the pearl gene and not satin in my opinion. There is a big difference between the metallic glow of the ahkel teke and the horses pictured here. Also it is very easy to get pictures that make a horse appear to be "shinier" or "glowing" when they do not. It all comes down to light play. In low lights Ahkel Tekes still have that glow. I am betting that the horses pictured so far do not in low light conditions...
    Actually I think that's a very good observation - especially since they all seem to be palominos! Unfortunately, none of them have the barlink bloodline ... so it remains to be seen if there is another pearl line within the QH - it's amazing how reluctant a lab can be do declare a new color line ... their reputation is very much on the line in that situation!
         
        09-16-2011, 09:47 AM
      #33
    Started
    I'll try to get some good o.es this weekend, thanks!
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        09-16-2011, 09:54 AM
      #34
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by kctop72    
    I'll try to get some good o.es this weekend, thanks!
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    Will look forward to seeing them!
         
        09-16-2011, 10:58 AM
      #35
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    Originally Posted by LilacsGirl    
    Research is trying to happen right here, right now.
    A bunch of horse owners on the internet talking about sparkly photos does not equal gene research.
         
        09-16-2011, 12:21 PM
      #36
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Alwaysbehind    
    A bunch of horse owners on the internet talking about sparkly photos does not equal gene research.
    I concede the point. I realize now that there's no point, really, in speculating about anything, or finding out how anything works. Everything this planet is ever going to know is obviously already known by you three clever individuals. It clear that people with open minds, and a desire to learn more than what they can discover from their own herds, are not welcome to participate here. Forgive us, please, for sharing ideas. This is clearly not what this site is for. Score one for planet earth. Status Quo rules! Ignorance rocks! YAY
         
        09-16-2011, 12:23 PM
      #37
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    Originally Posted by LilacsGirl    
    I concede the point. I realize now that there's no point, really, in speculating about anything, or finding out how anything works. Everything this planet is ever going to know is obviously already known by you three clever individuals. It clear that people with open minds, and a desire to learn more than what they can discover from their own herds, are not welcome to participate here. Forgive us, please, for sharing ideas. This is clearly not what this site is for. Score one for planet earth. Status Quo rules! Ignorance rocks! YAY
    Wow, you are one of those always and never people, hu?


    Maybe you are not aware but there is a HUGE cavernous difference between having a discussion with people about something and doing gene research.

    Pointing out that there is nothing scientific about this conversation does not mean this conversation can not exist.
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        09-16-2011, 12:30 PM
      #38
    Green Broke
    Lol Really? Looking at pictures of your shiny horses is not "research" on color genetics. "Research" are proven facts, not opinions. The forum is more than welcome to open minds and sharing ideas, which we all support. Don't try to say that people are researching the "Satin" gene with pictures of their horses and by pointing out about how shiny their horses are.
         
        09-16-2011, 12:42 PM
      #39
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Alwaysbehind    
    Wow, you are one of those always and never people, hu?


    Maybe you are not aware but there is a HUGE cavernous difference between having a discussion with people about something and doing gene research.

    Pointing out that there is nothing scientific about this conversation does not mean this conversation can not exist.

    But if you like drama and flying off the deep end because someone does not agree with you, so be it.
    No, it wasn't your post. Sorry about that. It's been a concerted refusal to consider that there could be a cause for iridescence in horses (possibly totally unlinked to Akhal Teke) other than good health. I have shiny horses, and I have horses with metallic sheen - they are not the same. So it's like - the position here seems to be that if a horse is not as iridescent as an Akhal Teke, it should it can't be counted as being iridescent or metallic AT ALL.
    What I'm saying is that nobody finds anything in a lab unless serious breeders come to a consensus and agree that there is something to be found. They do that by comparing notes, and gathering each other's experiences. It's PART of the research process - it's not separate from "research". What do you'all think research is? What are you going to put under the microscope if you don't do any trials - and how will you do trials if you don't know what you are going to try and isolate?
    Actual geneticists and authors on the subject are so open minded when you talk to them - eager to consider possibilities - but when you bring those ideas to the average horse owner, it's like a brick wall. People don't want to learn - they just want to tell you what they think they already know.
    So ... yes, I'm frustrated. Look, sorry if I took it out on you a bit ... I think I'm just wasting time here, I'm afraid. I was eager for people to tell me about their horses, and their colors, and see their pictures ... but who will want to post those when they just get shot down and dismissed? I'll probably just go back to the scientific sites. 30 years' color breeding experience and extensive involvement with other genetic researchers doesn't seem to count for much here.
         
        09-16-2011, 12:58 PM
      #40
    Foal
    Cool

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Alwaysbehind    
    A bunch of horse owners on the internet talking about sparkly photos does not equal gene research.
    'Horse owners' isn't the same as 'breeders'. Did you even read the post?

    The 'sparkly photos' you have so astutely pointed out are actually exhibiting what looks like reflective hairs on the horse's coat that imitate such that has been scientifically proven in rabbits to be a gene that causes hollow shafts of hair prone to reflect light in that kind of sheen - you know, the actual subject of this forum?

    Research |ˈrēsərch; risərch |
    Noun
    1 The devotion of time and attention to acquiring knowledge on an academic subject.
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