Is she a smoky black or a sooty buckskin? Does she carry the silver gene?

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Is she a smoky black or a sooty buckskin? Does she carry the silver gene?

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    01-22-2012, 06:25 PM
Is she a smoky black or a sooty buckskin? Does she carry the silver gene?

We just purchased an AQHA broodmare and would love some help on determining what colour she is. We will be having her colour tested but it would also be nice to know what we should test for.

She's registered as a brown but I know that she was registered incorrectly as she is a single dilute (also carries the red gene). She has thrown two buckskins off a chestnut and a bay, one "brown" off a bay and one chestnut off a bay.

I have tried to do some simple research by looking into her bloodlines but because she is so old/foundation bred, it's hard to tell what colours she carries in her bloodlines since the genetic tests we have now, were not available then and a lot of horses were registered incorrectly. Her registered name is Goetzs Lina Bikini, if you want to look her up on All Breed Pedigree.

I'm trying to determine if she is a smoky black or a sooty buckskin. The other colour gene I am trying to determine if she has is the silver gene. Her previous owner thought she was a grullo but she does not have a dominant dorsal stripe (only countershading), leg barring or a mask to make her one.

I don't have the greatest pictures to post but they're all I have right now on my computer. I only have the pictures available that her previous owner sent me but they will give you a good idea.

She also has dapples throughout her coat that you can see best in the summer and fall pictures. I am including some spring/summer and fall pictures. She looks the same now as she did in the fall, only with a winter coat.

Any help would be great!!

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    01-22-2012, 07:14 PM
Green Broke
Looks like a very classic looking smokey black to me. There is a possibility of a sooty buckskin, but If I had to call it I would say smokey black.

I don't see any indication of silver dapple. Any time I've seen the silver dapple on a black base horse there tends to be more impact on the mane than the rest of the body, which is not the case here. I think you are just dealing on the creme gene here and will just have to get tested for the agouti gene to answer the question on black or buckskin.
    01-22-2012, 07:31 PM
Smokey black.

Highly doubt she has any agouti genes.

No silver.
    01-24-2012, 01:09 PM
Green Broke
And I see
    01-24-2012, 01:21 PM
MR - no dorsal, can't be grulla. That "dorsal stripe" you see is just countershading. A true dorsal stripe is sharp and well-defined.

I would say the mare in question is smokey black personally, usually buckskins aren't that dark and will show a heck of a lot more gold. USUALLY, not always! I frequent another forum where a member has a horse that is genetically tested to be buckskin but you would swear he's a brown.
    01-24-2012, 01:34 PM
Green Broke
I would say smokey black too.
    01-25-2012, 02:16 PM
Green Broke
First pics kinda look like grulla but the others look smokey black to me. She is a pretty girl!
    01-26-2012, 09:37 PM
Thanks everyone for your thoughts!

We were pretty sure she was a smokey black but in some of the pictures she looked like she could be a sooty buckskin. It's tough for us too tell since we just bought her and haven't had her a whole year to see her coat changes with the seasons.

We will be getting her tested shortly and I'm excited to get the results!
    01-26-2012, 09:51 PM
Last minute thought. I won't be surprised if this doesn't change anyone's colour opinions but I do have a picture of her 2006 filly and thought it wouldn't hurt to share.

This is the same filly that's posted as a foal in some of the pictures above but years later. As you can see, she's a sooty type buckskin and this filly is by a chestnut stallion.

Would the "sooty" markings come from the smokey black?


    01-26-2012, 09:54 PM
I still say smoky black. The buckskin filly would have gotten the agouti gene from the chestnut sire.

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